2012

Adam wrote:It expands further on what Simon is explaining

Just to clarify - until Adam's post I'd never heard of the Pharmacratic Inquisition before.

Adam - can you point me to the relevant chapter of the online DVD that deals with the astronomical aspects and symbolism? (sadly I don't have a spare couple of hours to watch the whole thing ATM). I'm coming at this more from the de Santillana/von Dechend/Fraser direction than that of McKenna.

Appreciated.

I think the relevant parts relating to astrology and the precession of the zodiac occurs in the first 30 minutes or so. Really very interesting. I had never heard of or been taught any of what this video contains until a good friend turned me on to it.

Simon wrote:
Almost. In fact if you think about it the Earth, Sun and "centre" of the Milky Way align once a year every year in any case. Note that because the Ecliptic intersects the galactic equator about 6.5 degrees away (that's 13 solar diameters) from the intersection of the galactic meridian and equator, it's impossible for the Sun to lie precisely between us and the centre of the Milky Way.

Nothings impossible, presently we can use math to determine trends in time to predict the future, but not always precisely.
What if the Mayans could use astronomy and time to determine universal outcomes?
Seems a little far fetched, but what do we know, most people view the Mayans as crazy cultists or an underdeveloped civilization.
But we have no idea of the things they knew, all we know is they had a strong belief for "The Gods" and they had a great knowledge of astronomy.
This knowledge was acquired by hundreds of years years of records including Comet, Planetary, Lunar, and Solar Cycles.
The Sun and center of the Milky Way do in fact preform a PERFECT alignment, the Mayans discovered this alignment happens once every 144,000 days.
The Earth was created when the Mayan calender starts (date 0.0.0.0.0) they believed that after 144,000 days (1 B'ak'tun) the earth was destroyed.
The gods would grant the Earth rebirth after another 144,000 days (1 B'ak'tun) causing a destruction on every odd number and rebirth on every even number.
December 21st 2012 is going to be the 13th B'ak'tun, but we can not determine what will happen on this date. Could the Mayans?
Most people are going to completely ignore this date, but personally i have slight worries.
But hey what do I know right? I'm just a skeptical 17 year old who found this on the internet. It all depends on what you "choose" to believe.

MysticMike wrote:

Simon wrote:
Almost. In fact if you think about it the Earth, Sun and "centre" of the Milky Way align once a year every year in any case. Note that because the Ecliptic intersects the galactic equator about 6.5 degrees away (that's 13 solar diameters) from the intersection of the galactic meridian and equator, it's impossible for the Sun to lie precisely between us and the centre of the Milky Way.

Nothings impossible, presently we can use math to determine trends in time to predict the future, but not always precisely.
What if the Mayans could use astronomy and time to determine universal outcomes?
Seems a little far fetched, but what do we know, most people view the Mayans as crazy cultists or an underdeveloped civilization.
But we have no idea of the things they knew, all we know is they had a strong belief for "The Gods" and they had a great knowledge of astronomy.
This knowledge was acquired by hundreds of years years of records including Comet, Planetary, Lunar, and Solar Cycles.
The Sun and center of the Milky Way do in fact preform a PERFECT alignment, the Mayans discovered this alignment happens once every 144,000 days.
The Earth was created when the Mayan calender starts (date 0.0.0.0.0) they believed that after 144,000 days (1 B'ak'tun) the earth was destroyed.
The gods would grant the Earth rebirth after another 144,000 days (1 B'ak'tun) causing a destruction on every odd number and rebirth on every even number.
December 21st 2012 is going to be the 13th B'ak'tun, but we can not determine what will happen on this date. Could the Mayans?
Most people are going to completely ignore this date, but personally i have slight worries.
But hey what do I know right? I'm just a skeptical 17 year old who found this on the internet. It all depends on what you "choose" to believe.

144,000 days is about 400 years...the earth has been around a lot longer then 13 times 400 years, so has humanity. I don't know if i misunderstood the information you've given but the planet doesn't get destroyed or reborn every 400 years. I honestly wouldn't worry either way...it's out of the hands of people like me and you either way, maybe everyone. If something negative were to happen, i'd take some comfort in the fact that it is my fate and that these things are not in my control....no point fighting the tide when you can't make any difference to it.

The Mayans and other civilizations that have been on earth in the past were in many ways probably far more advanced than what we have today. The Mayan calendar is extremely precise and it has been interpreted by many. There is much more that they Mayans knew about. We in our pride think that we know it all.

We have been conditioned by the ideas that have been presented in the Bible. The Bible is just a story book with a collection of stories in it. I say stories because that is all they are. There have been many interpretations of these stories.
If this concept of the Bible causes some pain and anger for some that is OK. After all it is a fairly recent book that has been rewritten and hand copied many times. It is subject to the individuals view point. OK enough about the Bible.

There are many other sources of information that all point in the same direction of the interpretation of the Mayan's.

One thing that is most important is the fact that the solar system is passing through what is called the galactic equinox.
The galactic equinox is an area of very powerful gravitational force that is related to what is called a black hole that is at the center of the milky way. This occurs between 2008 to 2015 so we would do well to keep an eye on the geological activities, as well as the weather changes taking place on the planet.
The scientists are aware of this gravitational force and they seem to agree that the planet may experience some perhaps drastic influences, such as earth quakes, tsunamis. plate shifts, volcanic activity and magnetic pole shift.
There is evidence that the planet has gone through these things in the past.
It is a 26,000 year cycle that geologists have fond evidence of in many areas on the planet.

Life, as human, has been on this planet for perhaps way over 100,000 years. There is much that has been hidden from us by the powers that control through religions and fear. The history that we are presented is often not very accurate, it is the nature of the control freaks that like to keep the people under control.

The native American (Indians) Hopi, Apache, and many others have also spoken of this same happening.

Yes me thinks that there is no coincidence here. There is too much information from many different sources that points toward some serious happenings coming on the planet.

check out the Phoenix Project http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUtPRyXgO0A
It presents some good information.

there are no accidents in the universe

MysticMike wrote:The Sun and center of the Milky Way do in fact preform a PERFECT alignment, the Mayans discovered this alignment happens once every 144,000 days.

Unless you're talking about a perfect symbolic alignment, I'm afraid I think you're wrong from an orbital mechanics point of view. However, if you can explain what you mean by perfect, I'd be glad to know what definitions you're using.

Simon

The sun/earth does NOT align with the center of the Milky Way. It will NEVER align with the center of the Milky Way. Our solar system is located in an ARM of the Milky way, not the CENTER.

Sigh wrote:The sun/earth does NOT align with the center of the Milky Way. It will NEVER align with the center of the Milky Way. Our solar system is located in an ARM of the Milky way, not the CENTER.

Go back to school sigh, aligning with something doesn't mean you are in the same place as said something. Hold a fist between your eyes and the sun and your fist is aligned with it. Doesn't mean your fist travells to the sun now does it?


W.C. As for the Mayans being more advanced than us. Where did they hide their atomic clocks? Our's are accurate to the nanosecond...Of course we dont know it all, but we're far more advanced than the Mayans, ingenious as the were.

Galactic Equinox? Gravity is not as strong as you think. It's billions of times weaker than the other forces (EM, stong, week nuclear) If passing through the plane of the galaxy exposed the Earth to enough combined gravity (from stars trillions, or quadrillions of miles distant) to create earthuakes, then surely the sun would tear the earth apart as we rotate. That's just nearbye stars, Sag a is 27 000 light years distant - it's gravity will not cause earthquakes or change the weather.
Earth has it's own processes and the causes of ice ages will be found HERE. Our sun plays a part in them too for sure, but wild theories about the effects of Galactic Equinox are unfounded. Im sick of people on this forum stating what scientists think. They do not think this crap - if they did, the whole world would know about it.
Gravity is subject to the inverse square law which is proven.

Wisdom's Child.
Here we go - The sun orbits the galactic centre once every 230 million years, it crosses the galactic plane once every 33 million years The American Scientist
Other scientists believe we cross it every 115 million years because the suns orbit is inclined to the galactic plane so that it crosses it twice in one revolution around the galactic centre.
There you go, the period still needs to be refined (down to a date someday) but in no way related to events like the cycle of climate change. Whatever it is - there's millions of years between crossings. And NOBODY can say we will be crossing the plane in 2012. Right now we are believed to be a long distance from it and haven't got the sort of measuring capability to say that we will cross it on this or that year. The mayand DEFINATELY could not. They didn't even know what a galaxy was - how could they?
The 26 000 is the cycle of the tilt of the earths pole in relation to the earth-sun line. This does NOT line up with ice ages and geology and palientology records either. So like I said - you wanna make these big calls, don't quote honest scientists.