I am going to open up a dialog with those online on this forum discussion concerning NDE. Although I’ve not had a clinically dead experience, I do bring an experience that I’ll share for those interested. It is a good starting point for interaction. Enjoy.

One night about close to twenty years (I’m very “non time” orientated) or so ago, I was falling asleep. At that point in my life I was re-centering my focus on the Christian doctrine in my usual non-conventional manner. But that I’m meaning self study vs. integration identifiable by a religious body or (for a better way of saying that same thing) any denominational belief structure. So the point being, I was seeking through meditation a deeper understand of scripture at the time of the experience I’m about to tell. That would have to be mentioned as it would have been a part of the history leading to the event.

So, I was falling asleep, when as usual, one feels awareness sinking into a relaxed darkness. (It is my belief that each time we go to sleep we are in fact practicing a form of earthly death.) This time something in my awareness noted that I was moving through this darkness/void. I had an distinct awareness of this motion without any sense relating to occupying (meaning having the usual characteristics of space) or neither any sense of temporal existence. It wasn’t up, nor down, nor left, nor right. There was no point for reference whatsoever. I soon noticed an island (for lack of a better description) that entered my awareness and I moved towards it. I knew that it wasn’t solid land per say, but it was within my awareness, basically what I’d expect to see if it would have been a solid mass. It really manifested out of nothingness and the attraction was it harbored light. (I noted afterwards that as soon as the island appeared for me I became more aware of the prior experienced state as being in fact as a type of darkness.) As it got closer to the boundary, I noticed a fence that was seemingly encircling the island. My sense was that I stopped any further movement and just waited. A person on the other side of the fence walked up and smiled and asked if I was ready yet…? My answer was no… they smiled and said OK… as soon as that happened the island moved away from my relative place which gave me the feeling of falling without motion. I woke up in my bed feeling like an elastic band that just got twanged.

I thought about “the being” that talked to me and I knew that I honestly recognized them as if from the beginning of time. From a Christian perspective, I’d have to say it was the Christ. The question asked was related to not so much to are you ready to die (or leave the world) as it was more so are you ready to spiritually surrender and my answer was that I was not, meaning that I wanted to play in the world further through the eyes and ears of the self proclaimed ego mind (attachment to the illusion). It was a very honest answer. The connection between me and the being was very casual, meaning to the point, no judgments’ nor any right or wrong answer. It was very loving in nature and by definition unconditional. Those qualities were an obvious truth to the experience.

Has this experience changed my life? The answer is yes. I strive myself (at this point) to “being ready”. That journey has taken me some odd 20 years to manifest a committed desire to know the unknown. I truly feel sympathy for the salmon… <smirk>

Anyhow, thanks for reading this!! Hopefully it will spark some conversation...

I read you're post and enjoyed it. I like how you said attachment to illusion...The mind is a powerful thing isn't it? I guess only if we let go of our addictions and desires one can be free...Maybe that's what the bible is trying to tell us all along. Although I believe the bible has a lot of mythology in it, I also believe it is a great guide for morality, and spirituality in the human race. Personally on the whole topic of NDE I find a lot of stories to be interesting reads and yours is one of them. I think our consciousness always lives on, and the body and mind is what we let go of. Maybe that is what you experienced for just a short while...maybe we all do when we dream. Sounds like freedom to me : ) Take care.

The kingdom of heaven is within you

Truly within !!!!

Your vibration must of raised to a level where your consciousness opened your connections.

Karen Angel xxxx

Thank you both for your replies...

I thought about “the being” that talked to me and I knew that I honestly recognized them as if from the beginning of time. From a Christian perspective, I’d have to say it was the Christ. The question asked was related to not so much to are you ready to die (or leave the world) as it was more so are you ready to spiritually surrender and my answer was that I was not, meaning that I wanted to play in the world further through the eyes and ears of the self proclaimed ego mind (attachment to the illusion). It was a very honest answer. The connection between me and the being was very casual, meaning to the point, no judgments’ nor any right or wrong answer. It was very loving in nature and by definition unconditional. Those qualities were an obvious truth to the experience.

In my belief system, we call this a "Wake-UP Call", and this is very common, most people have these at various times in their life for various reasons.
What you described could possibly be your spiritual mentor, which we all have at least one. These beings are capable of taking any form and they do this for our benefit only.

There are also many Spiritual Masters that assists those in need, you can learn more about them at http://www.eckankar.com.

Hope this helps.

All you did was have a dream. Nothing more.

Guest4545 wrote:All you did was have a dream. Nothing more.

mindkind wrote:I strive myself (at this point) to “being ready”.

By being ready, I'm meaning that if I experience the same (as what was described), my answer at this point would be indeed different. By that I suppose I'm meaning that I'm open to the idea of not resisting discovery beyond my current scope of reality\acceptance. In other words, being willing to let go of any preconceived notions (of whom I am and where I find myself). That would require me to not be attached to the "day to day" drama and a willingness to go where-ever "the stream" leads, regardless of my take on it. As I stated earlier in this post; I truly feel sympathy for the salmon… <smirk>

There are two sayings that encompass these thoughts/feelings...

"Before enlightenment chop wood and carry water... After enlightenment chop wood and carry water..."

"Doing something gets you to the wall... doing nothing gets you through..."

mindkind wrote:

Guest4545 wrote:All you did was have a dream. Nothing more.

mindkind wrote:I strive myself (at this point) to “being ready”.

By being ready, I'm meaning that if I experience the same (as what was described), my answer at this point would be indeed different. By that I suppose I'm meaning that I'm open to the idea of not resisting discovery beyond my current scope of reality\acceptance. In other words, being willing to let go of any preconceived notions (of whom I am and where I find myself). That would require me to not be attached to the "day to day" drama and a willingness to go where-ever "the stream" leads, regardless of my take on it. As I stated earlier in this post; I truly feel sympathy for the salmon… <smirk>

There are two sayings that encompass these thoughts/feelings...

"Before enlightenment chop wood and carry water... After enlightenment chop wood and carry water..."

"Doing something gets you to the wall... doing nothing gets you through..."

Excellent response! Those who claim to know the truth while refusing to review all evidence, wherever it may lead, are truly the ignorant ones, regardless their so-called education. As much as I admire Einstein, these people are no different in that Einstein rejected quantum theory because he could not accept the role consciousness plays in it. He also rejected quantum entanglement because he could not accept "spooky action at a distance." But here we are almost a century later and consciousness remains the skeleton in the closet for the strict materialist and their view of reality. Not to mention, quantum entanglement has been shown to be the correct interpretation and is the basis for quantum computers. As smart as Einstein was, he was pretty dumb.

Take note Guest! BTW, I've been meaning to ask, why hide behind a generic username that everyone uses? Why not just register yourself with a legit username so I'll know who I'm responding to? As it is, anyone who posted using Guest must be wondering if my comments are for them. You know who you are so come out of the anonymous closet and make yourself known.

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Many years ago I was in a village called Falaise in Normandy in a very old house. I went up and heard music impossible to hear with ears. We are very dense creatures, our 5 senses are primitive compared to other animals. We are a very warlike and self destructive race.

Qrusty1337 wrote:

Mindkind wrote:I thought about “the being” that talked to me and I knew that I honestly recognized them as if from the beginning of time. From a Christian perspective, I’d have to say it was the Christ. The question asked was related to not so much to are you ready to die (or leave the world) as it was more so are you ready to spiritually surrender and my answer was that I was not, meaning that I wanted to play in the world further through the eyes and ears of the self proclaimed ego mind (attachment to the illusion). It was a very honest answer. The connection between me and the being was very casual, meaning to the point, no judgments’ nor any right or wrong answer. It was very loving in nature and by definition unconditional. Those qualities were an obvious truth to the experience.

In my belief system, we call this a "Wake-UP Call", and this is very common, most people have these at various times in their life for various reasons.
What you described could possibly be your spiritual mentor, which we all have at least one. These beings are capable of taking any form and they do this for our benefit only.

There are also many Spiritual Masters that assists those in need, you can learn more about them at http://www.eckankar.com.

Hope this helps.

While I truly mean no disrespect to your belief system, I have a problem with any so-called spiritual organization that charges any price for membership. Advanced spiritual study for a fee? Not in my lifetime! I sure hope Harold Klemp can justify to his maker charging people for information that should be free to all for the asking.

fuzoid
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