I suffered a massive heart attack on March 14, 2005, at about 5 p.m. in the evening at Sheridan, Oregon. I could not breathe properly at all and was gasping madly for air. The paramedics were called at once and when they arrived they immediately dropped a large electrical wheel on me, which hurt me severely, but my breathing improved slightly. I was bustled into an ambulance and taken to the Willamette Medical Center emergency room in McMinnville, Oregon. During the ride there I apparently passed out, and when I next awoke I was at the Good Samaritan Hospital in Portland, Oregon, in their ICU. It was there that I found out that three days had elapsed and that it was now Thursday, March 17th, 2005. I was told that I had been placed in a medical induced coma for awhile so that I would not move around and possibly disturb the many tubes and IVs were attached to my body. I was informed by a Doctor Wu and a Doctor Malloy that I would have to undergo triple bypass surgery and a maze operation if I had any hopes of continuing to live. I was told, as was my wife, that the operation was dangerous and that my chances of living through it. were about 50-50. However, I had developed pneumonia and, thus, had to wait until that cleared up before the surgery could take place. I also found out that I had flat lined out twice during the past three days.

The surgery finally took place on March 24th. A few days prior to that surgery was when my NDE experience came to me clearly and I realized I must have experienced it during one of the two times that I had flat lined on the cardiac monitor on March 14th at that emergency room in McMinnville. It all then came to me clearly, and as I lay there in my hospital bed, actual chills occurred as I re-lived it in my mind. At first, there was total darkness, the blackest black I had ever seen. So black, in fact, I could not see anything even one inch in front of me. Then, there was a flash of brilliant light, extremely radiant and bright, white, blue and yellow in color. Then, very quickly, I was floating over a vast field of flowers. These flowers seemed to encompass acres and acres of land, and they were extremely beautiful, ranging in various colors, many of the colors which I had never seen before. I seemed to be invisible as I hovered over these beautiful beds of flowers, and I was only a few feet above them as I floated over them. I could smell them also and their odor was a wonderful scent. Then a bright light again appeared and I saw the outline of a man in white, but not his face. He told me things that are very special and afterwards he disappeared quickly, but I know from what he told me that two things are certain, and that is [1] I am not to fear death at all, and [2] that the future will bring certain things that are both good and bad, including the exact date when Jesus Christ will again appear on this earth. 1 did NOT see a tunnel. I did NOT meet God, Jesus or any angels. I did NOT "travel" to heaven. My entire life did NOT pass before my eyes, nor did I see myself on that emergency room gurney via an out of body experience.

What took place is exactly as I have herein described, except for many more things pertaining to the future that I was informed of by the man in white with no face during my NDE. I know it was all real because prior to my heart attack I had an intense tear of dying and also of hospitals, operations, etc. I no longer have such fears at all. I can give you the doctors names at the McMinnville emergency room where this NDE took place. Two of those doctors, in fact. later told me that it was a “miracle” that I lived. They could not believe I survived such an attack. My heart is now 40% damaged, and it is also dangerously enlarged. I can supply you, if so desired, with documents, charts, etc. and also all doctors names involved, including bona fide proof that I actually did indeed flatten out for twice on the cardiac monitor. If YOU would like to know things about the future, some of which have already happened, in fact, since my 2005 NDE, please simply contact me via e-mail at joedemonte37@gmail.com . I will tell you NOW that December 21st, 2012 is a VERY important date! God bless!

joed37 wrote:I suffered a massive heart attack on March 14, 2005, at about 5 p.m. in the evening at Sheridan, Oregon. I could not breathe properly at all and was gasping madly for air. The paramedics were called at once and when they arrived they immediately dropped a large electrical wheel on me, which hurt me severely, but my breathing improved slightly. I was bustled into an ambulance and taken to the Willamette Medical Center emergency room in McMinnville, Oregon. During the ride there I apparently passed out, and when I next awoke I was at the Good Samaritan Hospital in Portland, Oregon, in their ICU. It was there that I found out that three days had elapsed and that it was now Thursday, March 17th, 2005. I was told that I had been placed in a medical induced coma for awhile so that I would not move around and possibly disturb the many tubes and IVs were attached to my body. I was informed by a Doctor Wu and a Doctor Malloy that I would have to undergo triple bypass surgery and a maze operation if I had any hopes of continuing to live. I was told, as was my wife, that the operation was dangerous and that my chances of living through it. were about 50-50. However, I had developed pneumonia and, thus, had to wait until that cleared up before the surgery could take place. I also found out that I had flat lined out twice during the past three days.

The surgery finally took place on March 24th. A few days prior to that surgery was when my NDE experience came to me clearly and I realized I must have experienced it during one of the two times that I had flat lined on the cardiac monitor on March 14th at that emergency room in McMinnville. It all then came to me clearly, and as I lay there in my hospital bed, actual chills occurred as I re-lived it in my mind.

I'm actually quite surprised you were able to remember anything! Especially considering the induced coma! Anesthesia tends to induce amnesia. So it's quite possible you experienced more than what you present here?

At first, there was total darkness, the blackest black I had ever seen. So black, in fact, I could not see anything even one inch in front of me. Then, there was a flash of brilliant light, extremely radiant and bright, white, blue and yellow in color. Then, very quickly, I was floating over a vast field of flowers. These flowers seemed to encompass acres and acres of land, and they were extremely beautiful, ranging in various colors, many of the colors which I had never seen before. I seemed to be invisible as I hovered over these beautiful beds of flowers, and I was only a few feet above them as I floated over them. I could smell them also and their odor was a wonderful scent.

I have read many NDE cases that describe a similar scene. In fact, most claim the flowers are made from light! And some also describe mountains and rivers.

Then a bright light again appeared and I saw the outline of a man in white, but not his face.

This is very typical.

He told me things that are very special and afterwards he disappeared quickly, but I know from what he told me that two things are certain, and that is [1] I am not to fear death at all, and...

Which is what most every NDEr will tell you, death is not something to be feared.

[2] that the future will bring certain things that are both good and bad, including the exact date when Jesus Christ will again appear on this earth.

This is unusual in that most who experience an NDE do not apply any religious significance to it, including religious figures. I have read very few cases which specifically speak of Jesus returning. In fact, there are those who claim the only reason they were met by any religious figure is because of their expectations. But even then they did not feel like there was any religious significance to the meeting. So to be met by an unknown being of light who informs you that Jesus will indeed return is very unusual .

1 did NOT see a tunnel.

Not everyone does. Actually, some say it was like walking through a door.

I did NOT meet God, Jesus or any angels.

Actually, very few people claim to have met God or Jesus. As for angels, I guess this depends on your interpretation. Some believe our deceased loved ones operate in this capacity. So perhaps the religious concept of angels is wrong? In any event, you claim you were met by a being in white whose face you could not see. So it's possible this could have been an angel, just not your stereotypical type.

I did NOT "travel" to heaven.

How do you know this? Do you believe you know what heaven is like (prior to your experience)? Are you basing your belief on a religious concept? If so, no wonder you may not have recognized where you were! Because the similar examples I've read do describe it as heaven, just one very small part of it.

My entire life did NOT pass before my eyes,

Not everyone who experiences an NDE experiences a life review.

nor did I see myself on that emergency room gurney via an out of body experience.

Not everyone who experiences an NDE sees themselves in the hospital (or wherever). Some simply show up in pitch blackness as you did. Usually at this point either a light will appear which draws them deeper into the experience or they wake up inside of their body.

What took place is exactly as I have herein described, except for many more things pertaining to the future that I was informed of by the man in white with no face during my NDE.

Don't be too surprised if you begin to remember additional details that were suppressed by your induced coma. In fact, I would be extremely surprised if you do not remember newer details! BTW, do you think you can share these future events? Because if all the NDE evidence I've read is true, this message was not for you alone. You were given this message so you can share it with others. So please do.

I know it was all real because prior to my heart attack I had an intense tear of dying and also of hospitals, operations, etc. I no longer have such fears at all. I can give you the doctors names at the McMinnville emergency room where this NDE took place. Two of those doctors, in fact. later told me that it was a “miracle” that I lived. They could not believe I survived such an attack. My heart is now 40% damaged, and it is also dangerously enlarged. I can supply you, if so desired, with documents, charts, etc. and also all doctors names involved, including bona fide proof that I actually did indeed flatten out for twice on the cardiac monitor.

While I mean no disrespect, especially considering I believe you, none of this proves it was real. While I would truly like to claim the NDE as proof positive for the truth of an afterlife, I cannot. Even with the circumstantial evidence provided by those who accurately describe events they would have had no way of knowing otherwise. All this proves is the reality of an out of body experience (which is supported by a holographic universe), not an afterlife.

If YOU would like to know things about the future, some of which have already happened, in fact, since my 2005 NDE, please simply contact me via e-mail at joedemonte37@gmail.com . I will tell you NOW that December 21st, 2012 is a VERY important date! God bless!

I personally believe you should share this knowledge here in this forum. But since it's not my decision to make, I will leave this up to you. In any event, I'll be sending you an email for more details.

Thanks!

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Just in case any one is remotely interested...a few years ago I inadvertently discovered some sort of transcendental meditation. It happened by accident but I'd always been able to know things never told to me by a proper person, even if I thought they had...I spent most of my formative years being very muddled and getting my wires crossed, putting my foot in it. I now realize that not everyone can read minds, etc.

With regard to poor old Joe's NDE and then the above post saying that fields of flowers have been reported by many NDE-er's, I got a bit excited, because I know this place and had done some of my own research on it after discovering it during one of my "flights". The ancient Greeks talked about the Fields of Incarnation, and then there is the terminology "giving someone your flower", which is laughed at as a bit sanny but does stem from an older knowledge.

This field of activity has also been called the Poppy Fields or the Rose Garden, and is very much linked albeit invisibly to the infamous "lady gardens" or "altar's to Venus". I've spent some time viewing this realm, and watched how spirits fall from the blue heavens like shooting stars and land in these huge fleshy, bowl-like luminous flowers. The petals of these flowers open when they are ready to receive a new spiritual life force and slowly close as a new layer is formed around the glowing spark of life, to give it form in the world of matter. The fields are tended to by luminous maidens and from time to time you might see a luminous knight on patrol. As a body forms around the life force, firstly a blur of light, pinkish and golden energy is all that can be seen, as the growing form becomes more apparent the petals close over protectively but if you peep between the cracks you can see human babies, or rather their growing etheric cloak.

Then next the spirit, cloaked in protective matter, according to dimensional ordering, is expelled down through the centre of the flower, down the stem and seemingly into the growth medium or soil, but in fact the stem's roots are anchored into a prepared earthly womb. As the barrier between the etheric Fields of Incarnation merge with our astral realm, and one's astral eyes take over, golden threads waft down from the skies and are attached into the back of soon to be mothers, via their solar plexus. When a prepared etheric form is pulsed down along this stem or channel the thread burns with golden light as the child is passed along its length and into its awaiting physical human body, then the tube is withdrawn and seeks out another mother-to-be through electromagnetic principles.

Meanwhile in the etheric fields of incarnation the luminous flower opens its petals again, to await another spirit on its downward journey through condensing realms of matter. Back in the physical world, the baby's heart beat and movements signify that it is filled with a living core, around the first trimester. Without this energetic download miscarriage is inevitable at this stage. Late stage miscarriages occur for completely different reasons, usually because the incarnating spirit only needs to form a pure and energetic bond with a family to enable he or she to become a disincarnate guardian angel moving in the astral realm and able to guard or communicate with incarnates.

I'm delighted that others have seen it too, and I'm thankful that I didn't have to "die" and be reassured before my etheric eyes were opened.

Hi Joe from England,

At 8 years old I also had an NDE, my first awareness after total blackness was looking up seeing fish swimming above me like a tropical scene. What's striking is I felt so warm and calm. This faded to blackness, then a flash of light exiting from the chest inside a minute orb pumping like a heart. From white light to black light and back again I rose above the surgeons see my body, viewing it with total disregard, watching events unfold. I moved into other rooms looking outside watching the world go by. My vision seems more like black and white, but not totally devoid of colour. I can't see like normal and have to turn round inside a ball almost like looking through a telescope. Time had no meaning, I approach a female spider minding her eggs in the rafters. I can't get over how big she is to me, then she reacts with her legs (she sees me). How cool is that, it scared me first. You can move anywhere by thinking it. All other senses, sound, smell, taste, etc. all redundant all you have is sight and awareness\fact/after. Then I became aware something watching and got scared, felt fear, looking for somewhere to hide I felt weak.

I turn around and see the surgeons crash team trying to save me. I was being pulled back to body. I can't fight it, so I go back entering my chest in a bright light branching out into nerves around my body then blackness. I woke up all excited telling dumbfounded doctors events in detail. After about an hour of questioning mum came in and wasn't having any of it. After this we had several visits at home from chief surgeons and other parties.....more. After this event, my life changed forever. Because of skeptics, I can understand your feelings on this because I've experienced the same path. Feel free to contact me as we have lot in common. Strange events happened after my nde. I am writing book now at 55. I can't relay it all. But it covers NDE, Supernatural, UFO, ABDUCTION, and TRUTH ABOUT 2012. I don't normally open up, but the time has now come. My family and friends are aware of some of my abilities as do police. They call me Mario the psychic and have been careful till now. I regard myself as one of best around and experts on current topics provided on this website. I Hope to call this book: IS THIS THE FUTURE?

joed37 wrote:I suffered a massive heart attack on March 14, 2005, at about 5 p.m. in the evening at Sheridan, Oregon. I could not breathe properly at all and was gasping madly for air. The paramedics were called at once and when they arrived they immediately dropped a large electrical wheel on me, which hurt me severely, but my breathing improved slightly. I was bustled into an ambulance and taken to the Willamette Medical Center emergency room in McMinnville, Oregon. During the ride there I apparently passed out, and when I next awoke I was at the Good Samaritan Hospital in Portland, Oregon, in their ICU. It was there that I found out that three days had elapsed and that it was now Thursday, March 17th, 2005. I was told that I had been placed in a medical induced coma for awhile so that I would not move around and possibly disturb the many tubes and IVs were attached to my body. I was informed by a Doctor Wu and a Doctor Malloy that I would have to undergo triple bypass surgery and a maze operation if I had any hopes of continuing to live. I was told, as was my wife, that the operation was dangerous and that my chances of living through it. were about 50-50. However, I had developed pneumonia and, thus, had to wait until that cleared up before the surgery could take place. I also found out that I had flat lined out twice during the past three days.

The surgery finally took place on March 24th. A few days prior to that surgery was when my NDE experience came to me clearly and I realized I must have experienced it during one of the two times that I had flat lined on the cardiac monitor on March 14th at that emergency room in McMinnville. It all then came to me clearly, and as I lay there in my hospital bed, actual chills occurred as I re-lived it in my mind. At first, there was total darkness, the blackest black I had ever seen. So black, in fact, I could not see anything even one inch in front of me. Then, there was a flash of brilliant light, extremely radiant and bright, white, blue and yellow in color. Then, very quickly, I was floating over a vast field of flowers. These flowers seemed to encompass acres and acres of land, and they were extremely beautiful, ranging in various colors, many of the colors which I had never seen before. I seemed to be invisible as I hovered over these beautiful beds of flowers, and I was only a few feet above them as I floated over them. I could smell them also and their odor was a wonderful scent. Then a bright light again appeared and I saw the outline of a man in white, but not his face. He told me things that are very special and afterwards he disappeared quickly, but I know from what he told me that two things are certain, and that is [1] I am not to fear death at all, and [2] that the future will bring certain things that are both good and bad, including the exact date when Jesus Christ will again appear on this earth. 1 did NOT see a tunnel. I did NOT meet God, Jesus or any angels. I did NOT "travel" to heaven. My entire life did NOT pass before my eyes, nor did I see myself on that emergency room gurney via an out of body experience.

What took place is exactly as I have herein described, except for many more things pertaining to the future that I was informed of by the man in white with no face during my NDE. I know it was all real because prior to my heart attack I had an intense tear of dying and also of hospitals, operations, etc. I no longer have such fears at all. I can give you the doctors names at the McMinnville emergency room where this NDE took place. Two of those doctors, in fact. later told me that it was a “miracle” that I lived. They could not believe I survived such an attack. My heart is now 40% damaged, and it is also dangerously enlarged. I can supply you, if so desired, with documents, charts, etc. and also all doctors names involved, including bona fide proof that I actually did indeed flatten out for twice on the cardiac monitor. If YOU would like to know things about the future, some of which have already happened, in fact, since my 2005 NDE, please simply contact me via e-mail at joedemonte37@gmail.com . I will tell you NOW that December 21st, 2012 is a VERY important date! God bless!

Nice story, I'm glad you're here to tell it. We are predisposed to to stories like yours and religious beliefs to truly say it wasn't more than just a dream or the chemicals released to ease us into death. Evidence shows it was a hallucination that you now interpret as some kind of "vision" stemming from your own beliefs and what others tell you.

I honestly believe you truly believe what happened to you is real, please don't be dishearten when your vision does not come true. Then you will understand your NDE is merely just a dream induced by the chemicals released by the brain to make death easier.

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joed37 wrote:I suffered a massive heart attack on March 14, 2005, at about 5 p.m. in the evening at Sheridan, Oregon. I could not breathe properly at all and was gasping madly for air. The paramedics were called at once and when they arrived they immediately dropped a large electrical wheel on me, which hurt me severely, but my breathing improved slightly. I was bustled into an ambulance and taken to the Willamette Medical Center emergency room in McMinnville, Oregon. During the ride there I apparently passed out, and when I next awoke I was at the Good Samaritan Hospital in Portland, Oregon, in their ICU. It was there that I found out that three days had elapsed and that it was now Thursday, March 17th, 2005. I was told that I had been placed in a medical induced coma for awhile so that I would not move around and possibly disturb the many tubes and IVs were attached to my body. I was informed by a Doctor Wu and a Doctor Malloy that I would have to undergo triple bypass surgery and a maze operation if I had any hopes of continuing to live. I was told, as was my wife, that the operation was dangerous and that my chances of living through it. were about 50-50. However, I had developed pneumonia and, thus, had to wait until that cleared up before the surgery could take place. I also found out that I had flat lined out twice during the past three days.

The surgery finally took place on March 24th. A few days prior to that surgery was when my NDE experience came to me clearly and I realized I must have experienced it during one of the two times that I had flat lined on the cardiac monitor on March 14th at that emergency room in McMinnville. It all then came to me clearly, and as I lay there in my hospital bed, actual chills occurred as I re-lived it in my mind. At first, there was total darkness, the blackest black I had ever seen. So black, in fact, I could not see anything even one inch in front of me. Then, there was a flash of brilliant light, extremely radiant and bright, white, blue and yellow in color. Then, very quickly, I was floating over a vast field of flowers. These flowers seemed to encompass acres and acres of land, and they were extremely beautiful, ranging in various colors, many of the colors which I had never seen before. I seemed to be invisible as I hovered over these beautiful beds of flowers, and I was only a few feet above them as I floated over them. I could smell them also and their odor was a wonderful scent. Then a bright light again appeared and I saw the outline of a man in white, but not his face. He told me things that are very special and afterwards he disappeared quickly, but I know from what he told me that two things are certain, and that is [1] I am not to fear death at all, and [2] that the future will bring certain things that are both good and bad, including the exact date when Jesus Christ will again appear on this earth. 1 did NOT see a tunnel. I did NOT meet God, Jesus or any angels. I did NOT "travel" to heaven. My entire life did NOT pass before my eyes, nor did I see myself on that emergency room gurney via an out of body experience.

What took place is exactly as I have herein described, except for many more things pertaining to the future that I was informed of by the man in white with no face during my NDE. I know it was all real because prior to my heart attack I had an intense tear of dying and also of hospitals, operations, etc. I no longer have such fears at all. I can give you the doctors names at the McMinnville emergency room where this NDE took place. Two of those doctors, in fact. later told me that it was a “miracle” that I lived. They could not believe I survived such an attack. My heart is now 40% damaged, and it is also dangerously enlarged. I can supply you, if so desired, with documents, charts, etc. and also all doctors names involved, including bona fide proof that I actually did indeed flatten out for twice on the cardiac monitor. If YOU would like to know things about the future, some of which have already happened, in fact, since my 2005 NDE, please simply contact me via e-mail at joedemonte37@gmail.com . I will tell you NOW that December 21st, 2012 is a VERY important date! God bless!

Nice story, I'm glad you're here to tell it. We are predisposed to to stories like yours and religious beliefs to truly say it wasn't more than just a dream or the chemicals released to ease us into death.

The current belief amongst researchers who believe the NDE is a hallucination is that it stems from ones beliefs. In other words, since the believer has a belief, he/she is more inclined to experience a spiritual hallucination. The only problem with this theory is that even the hard core atheist experiences an NDE. And ironically the core elements of the experience are nearly identical to those with a pre-existing belief. What's even more ironic is that nearly every hard core atheist who experienced an NDE returned with a strong and profound belief in the spiritual. And they tend to avoid religion, as do most NDErs.

BTW, I have a question that no atheist has been able to answer. Can you explain the evolutionary benefit to the survival of our species for the brain to create an escape mechanism at the moment of death?

I have another question for you. Is the universe alive and self aware?

Evidence shows it was a hallucination that you now interpret as some kind of "vision" stemming from your own beliefs and what others tell you.

I have to assume this is the same Guest I'm debating with in another thread because you've made this same claim but have yet to support it. Since you're claiming the evidence exists, the burden of proof is on you to present it. Please do.

I honestly believe you truly believe what happened to you is real, please don't be dishearten when your vision does not come true. Then you will understand your NDE is merely just a dream induced by the chemicals released by the brain to make death easier.

To make the death easier? Hmm.... interesting concept. Please explain the evolutionary benefit. WHY would the brain want to make death easier if we are nothing more than instinctual animals with higher cognitive powers than all other animals? There is no evolutionary benefit, therefore it makes no sense that the brain would have evolved such an escape mechanism. And since the anecdotal and [quantum] physics evidence seems to point towards consciousness existing independent of the brain, the likely explanation is that consciousness separates from the body at the moment of death.

Anyway, once again, since you claim that the experience is induced by chemicals in the brain, perhaps you can share this empirical evidence? I would be very interested in reading any research directly related to brain chemistry producing an NDE hallucination at the moment of death. Bearing in mind that such research would probably be considered as unethical to the rest of the scientific community. Then again, perhaps there was a willing volunteer?

Please present the evidence.

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Many people have strange dreams which do occur when they are near death and most people recognize this as "The light to Heaven" but really it is a state of which your brain recognizes your body cannot do anything and your brain tries to get you to move. When you go to pick up something you don't think about it, you naturally imagine yourself easily being able to pick it up. So your brain metaphorically gets up and moves around the room, it is understandable people can touch walk and feel things when it happens because the brain imagines it. However; when people claim to of actually seen themselves lying there and seeing everyone else around them is something else. There have also been cases where people have died from their imagination, I cannot remember what it is called but sometimes people can have dreams. A dream of something happening and being unable to awaken or do anything, Normally these dreams are bad. Last year a man woke up and told his wife he had a bad dream, about a demonic like creature tearing off his arm and his wife slept through it. In the morning the man claimed he couldn't move his left arm. Doctors could not find a reason why his arm went limp.