Life after death

fuzoid · by **fuzoid** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:46 am

Hi Qrusty!

Qrusty1337 wrote:To get a better perspective on this topic, it is necessary to understand a few principles.

1. We are all "soul", in a physical body of some sort.

Very true statement. And to clarify, while we appear to be living a physical existence, it is illusion. This is not to say that our existence is not physical. Our universe is holographic is in nature, a vibrational wave function. And to our consciousness, we interpret this stepped down (lower vibrations) wave function as physical. The higher the vibration, the more ethereal our existence.

2. Consciousness is the level of awareness that soul operates from.

I would take it as far as claiming consciousness and soul are different aspects of the same thing. The same as energy and matter.

I'm not wanting to get too deep due to time issues, but with these two principles we need to understand that as Soul we exists on many levels ( planes,heavens ....etc) at the same time. Thus when we sleep, soul is free to move about freely to the levels or planes it has earned thru spiritual evolution.When we dream, this is nothing more then shifting of conscience from one level to another.

While some part of me recognizes this as truth, I have had some pretty strange dreams in my lifetime that would throw a huge question mark at this statement. While I have no problem with the concept of a "higher self," I'm not entirely sure all our dreaming is a shifting of consciousness.

So its obvious that not all souls are at the same level of conscience, thus explaining the various degrees of perceptions we all have.

Agreed. This also explains why many choose to return to physical existence in an attempt work through negative karma.

To find out what level you operate at is a simple matter of spiritual exercise by laying still, stop all thoughts from coming in or out of your mind, totally relax while maintaining awareness, after getting to this state you should see a light, focus on this light until it completely surrounds you, some people claim to hear various sounds which indicates the level their awareness is in.

Much easier said than done. My problem is my mind is far too active. Try as I might, I can never seem to quiet it down long enough. I've come close, especially using kundalini as my technique. But I have never been successful. Perhaps this is because I do not need confirmation of our true selves?

So as we have compassion for what we consider lower entities ( insects,...etc) which are soul, should we not consider have the same compassion for those of us with less awareness?

I know very few people that have compassion for insects. And while I do go out of my way to avoid stepping on insects, I can't say that I have the same level of compassion when I do accidentally kill them as I would for an animal or human in pain or that is suffering. But, yes, I do recognize that so-called lower entities are just as much a part of God as everything else.

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wormwood · by **wormwood** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:55 pm

The best time to try and calm your mind and thoughts is when your lying in a warm bed. Maybe say a few prayers and feel every word with your mind. Once you find calmness,try and stop thought entirely. Eventually you will find inner peace, kinda feels tingley. I can clear my head easy that way and I will try and find the light tonight.

devil666 · by **devil666** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:38 pm

I am so sorry for your sad loss and can only say when we die our memory of life go with us. It's a test if you like, I think some replies you had were inconsiderate. I had a near death experience at 8 years old. I died after a minor op, even so described in detail every moment above them and what was in the room next door. I felt something watching my body laying there of no interest to me. After a while, I don't know how long I felt something pulling me back from the other room that I had entered. Then a bright light seemed to light up my nerve fibers then the blackness. I woke up and the doctors were in shock after I recited the events. I felt like a boy who went on an adventure and wanted to go again. I can tell you 100 percent our energy continues.

CarboKill · by **CarboKill** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:02 pm

As well as religious explanations (which I think are all utter bilge), there is some scientific proof that we can reincarnate! I mean, when we die, our DNA, our matter, can scatter. We can grow to be a plant, or, in a complicated way, we can enter a man's body and become DNA in a sperm, then be given birth to and become a human again with probably no memories of our past whatsoever! (this obviously might work with entering a woman's body as matter and getting DNA into an egg) But we might be excreted out when we are still simple pieces of matter, and then attached to a fly, and then may become a fly! And anyways, I think it's exciting thinking that you may have been someone famous in the past! I could of been a king (or even queen, because I still could of been any gender), or I could of simply been a tree or bacteria. (event the bubonic plague!) Anyway, those are my thoughts about reincarnation.

Hope you enjoyed 'em!

devil666 · by **devil666** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:20 pm

CarboKill wrote:As well as religious explanations (which I think are all utter bilge), there is some scientific proof that we can reincarnate! I mean, when we die, our DNA, our matter, can scatter. We can grow to be a plant, or, in a complicated way, we can enter a man's body and become DNA in a sperm, then be given birth to and become a human again with probably no memories of our past whatsoever! (this obviously might work with entering a woman's body as matter and getting DNA into an egg) But we might be excreted out when we are still simple pieces of matter, and then attached to a fly, and then may become a fly! And anyways, I think it's exciting thinking that you may have been someone famous in the past! I could of been a king (or even queen, because I still could of been any gender), or I could of simply been a tree or bacteria. (event the bubonic plague!) Anyway, those are my thoughts about reincarnation. Hope you enjoyed 'em!

You have in fact hit on one item, [this is true ] some heart transplant patients reported developing characteristics of the donor and at this present time is under investigation. I know myself the soul is located in the chest in or around the heart and there is a tiny sub atomic partial still attached to our soul which can hold us on this plane when we die, so in a way you're right. Catch you later

Tiapan · by **Tiapan** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:46 pm

Once when I was 17, sitting at the base of a tall tree I sniffed something I should not have, collapsed and next thing I know I'm floating around the top of the tree looking down at my self. Visually I perceived it as pretty real but looking at it more closely there was some thing not quite right, the grass was different I could not see my face and it was the wrong type of tree. There was a sort of pins and needles feeling and the thudding of the heart seems to stop in a sort of stillness there was a buzzing or hum.

Don't know if you call it near death experience or simple carotid occlusion response. Very interesting but it only lasts a few seconds even though it seems much longer. The experience passed quickly and I regained consciousness 30 or so seconds later.

A couple of years later I discovered I was able to induce exactly the same response by temporarily occluding my carotids with my thumbs. THIS IS HIGHLY DANGEROUS YOU COULD DIE! DON'T DO IT. MORE IMPORTANTLY NEVER LET ANY ONE DO IT TO YOU. Any way it's pretty easy to achieve the white light tunnel and seeing the old dead rellos and many other random thoughts. Having experienced similar to that described by many others here my explanation is that the lack of oxygen through decreased blood flow to the head almost immediately induces the white light phenomena, the rest is a jumble of rapid visual memories which we fix on and accept immediately and build, as a discriminating functions begin to fail, mundane things take on a great significance, much the same as someone very drunk becomes more convinced simplistic answers are the answer to everything. Then very shortly later we get total system shutdown, and death. As boring as this explanation sounds I am pretty sure it is right, it does not rely on metaphysical nonsense and the experiment is repeatable if you don't kill yourself in the process.

We all want to believe in life after death, with a few exceptions, and I do actually believe in a sort of life after death, but not in the sense most talk about it here ie that some fictitious individual part of us can some how transcend past the barrier of biological death. In fact the real situation is far more marvelous.

How often have we looked at our children and commented "She has her fathers eyes" or "he has his mothers mouth" etc. There is a good reason for this. My grandmother is dead and she has been cremated and her ashes spread, but she actually lives on in a sense. Not that shes a 1920's flapper in heaven, no she lives on through her children and they through theirs. In fact my grandmother lives on through me. She is actually an entire quarter of my DNA and in my brother is a different quarter and in my sister another quarter etc. We are actually simply a biological manifestation of this really neat code.

I like to relate it to the secular principles as follows. When we bring up our children how we treat them can determine their future. Because we are always a physical part of them, we will also be actually living through their lives, but without our consciousness beyond our own lives. If we treat them badly, beat and desert them then we will be caught in the hell we have created for them, in their life time, even though we may be long dead and turned to dust. On the contrary if we treat them right and give them lots of love and support their lives will be more joyous and enlightened, and once again because we are an integral part of them it will be our heaven as well.
So when I die I turn back to dust but my children live on and carry my soul (Read DNA) with them.

QED

Quetzalcoatl · by **Quetzalcoatl** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:52 am

k9maiden wrote:I believe in life after death. I also believe in reincarnation. Have you ever seen or heard of John Edwards, the famous medium? He has a program on WE T.V. Crossing Over or some such title. My brother gave me the money for a ticket to see him when he came to my area. Since it is in Iowa, John Edwards had never been here. I lived a few hours away from Des Moines where the program took place. As always it was a sell out, but because of the smaller space it was more like a gallery than the 1,000 to 2,000 that come to see him in large auditoriums. I liked that as there were only 300 people and, even though the tickets were higher, it was worth it. We were being televised and John was reading people directly behind me. He was right on with the family and friends who have crossed over and relaying messages to them. Then he looked in my direction while this crowd was behind me and said "I don't know if I have this name quite right, but it sounds like Elmer" He had this smirk on his face and the crowd laughed because the name Elmer is just funny in itself! I just sat there stunned as my ex father in law's name was Elmer. The funny thing was I actually talked to Elmer a few days before going to the program, and I asked that if he had a message for my boys, to please come through. A little background, my ex and I didn't leave on the best of terms and I was left to raise the boys. There was much animosity between us, my ex never came around, even though I was the victim however, after a length of time I just wanted him to be close to his sons and his grandchildren. Anyway, I just sat there, stunned and afraid, as usual, that I may be interfering with the group he had been reading and they would be upset if I butted in. Well, Elmer didn't go away, as Edwards then said "I have a strong 4th of July connection from this person." Once again I said to the lady next to me, "That was my ex husband's birthday!" She said, raise your hand, it's obviously you who is suppose to be read" The group in back just looked at each other and, again, not wanting to have my mug on television, I just ignored it. The last thing he said was "There is also a medical connection to this person." My ex husband is a Periodontal Surgeon." I'm still kicking myself because I never stood up and said "I think your trying to get through to me"! Finally, one of the people directly in back said she had a niece in the medical field and Edwards went on from there. If you ever watched him or seen him in person, you would definitely believe in the afterlife. How sad to think this is all there is to life. That's the atheist view. I think they will be in for a big surprise when it is their time to go.
Years ago I saw a program, 20/20 or one of those types. A man and his wife were in Europe on vacation. He was an atheist and had nothing to do with a belief in God. He became very ill and was taken to the hospital where he had a NE. He described how absolutely horrific it was and how frightened he became. As his NE became more and more frightening he started to pray, for the first time since he was a child, for God to save him from the depths of Hell. As he prayed he was able to view himself as a small child in church singing "Jesus Loves Me," the more he prayed the lighter her felt and the happier he became until he came back into his body and woke up. He lived, but the experience changed his life completely. He became a minister. It was very interesting. I'm sure there are always those who love to poke fun at feelings people have over NDE and I'm absolutely positive this post will receive a lot of nasty responses, but that's OK. Those people that want to believe life now is all we have are welcomed to their belief. My mother died in 2007, my dad just last Sept., my brother 10 years ago and my niece died Feb. 13th from breast cancer. Also, my beloved Collie died a day after his 12th birthday and I do hope I will see them again. That's the joy I have to look forward too one day.
Anyway, thanks for reading my response and, as I said, everyone is welcomed to their own beliefs as long as it doesn't hurt another person.

multiple things don't lets this medium thing take you away
a medium is a slightly gifted person that uses anothers often very unpleasant experiences
someone who is truly spiritual does not charge anything for it
money lusting "mediums"are commiters of a crime extremely high i bet you know what
people buy such a ticket and either get nothing or is simply confronted with heavy hardships that will drag him/her down

so look for peace inside yourself and answer your own questions a medium can make some rough guessing directions
and hopes for a response from the audience
so i think it may have been for the better that you let it fly by it would probably only result in more ego

2nd the same thing has been keeping me on feet for quite a while
i grew up in poverty in the worst crime neighborhood of the Netherlands the "Edison" in Eindhoven
its really crap dutch crime numbers are higher on average then American crime numbers
been placed in foster care when i was just 9 already having quite a hectic and dramatic past
anyway i stayed there for two years and 30 minutes before going home the day i should i found out my mom died with no place to got to
ended up living with my grandma she also died 2 and a half years later then my father died(not that i ever knew him he ran from my mom when i was 2 months old and treated mam like garbage even after wards)
and all other family members openly said the couldn't care less about me including 1 of my brothers the other brother is the only family i got left since then (age 13) i had to save myself (fully)
and i barely started summing up crap from my life
so it seems you have a case like mine i can't wait to see them again someday

greetings peace and serenity from Quetzalcoatl

Quetzalcoatl · by **Quetzalcoatl** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:44 am

LW wrote:Forgive me for being dispassionate but your father simply had a rush of endorphins as his body tried to brain alive.. its a survival reflex. For those 2 minutes all the had were his memories with no perception of reality. It was a rush of endorphins and fond memories.. not heaven or an afterlife.

i find this very disturbing the approach could be a lot more subtle
i believe you owe a big apology for harassing and metal rape you must get yourself examined cause you are ill
the complete lack of respect regarding someones feelings not to mention the dignity you try to rob from her passed loved ones startled me...literally
place yourself in her position you have been through a load of pain that YOU can never imagine
i can speak out of first hand experience its very hard to talk about those things and it takes a special amount of courage to talk about it on the internet
so a woman exposes her soul here in some sort of way with the risk of people like you abusing it
and what happens...the second poster here comes by and feels that its necessary to express his opinion in a brutal cruel grind down very deeply hurting someone inside (from first hand experience things like your harassing opinion can continue to hurt infiltrate and haunt someones mind for 2 years easily) yeah she will probably laugh her ass of seeing you departing to hell and you both deserved it as well as asked for it. as i expected we have not yet heard of the lady who's topic this is that can now not even talk about about this matter herself.

Because we are sentient, imaginative beings its hard for us to cope with the fact that we are also just animals. Our ability to use language allows us create (and eternally expound upon) the comforting myth that there is life after death, a life before birth, and indeed a cycle of life and death to and from a God in a heavenly realm. We hold on tight to this myth for many reasons but when it comes down to it, life is painful and tragic. No one wants to face the fact that their deceased loved one (be it their child or their mother or father who have all be so central to our existence) simply no longer exists. They are dead. They were an intelligent animal who are the sum of their instincts, their experiences, their loves, their pains, all shaped by the years of their some of which they spent with you. They are dead now. ALL that they were is lost like a drop or water in the ocean.

as fuzoid already stated the drop of water in the ocean thing is being used an incredible amount of times its also very hypocritical to say something like that

Also, not only does your loved one no longer exist but every second you live after their death takes you further and further from the happy time in your life when you had them and they had you. Its deeply sad so we fool ourselves into believing that our religion will take care of them.

yes i agree its deeply sad how you fool yourself into thinking that we think that way
now your putting us i the nutcase profile exist only in your pesky narrow mind, actually insulting all of us who know

we do not say it's religion based and for a fact it isn't i am non religious all my life never baptized or anything

Of course there is no life after death. Is there life after death for ants and aardvarks? Your religion will tell you no because its human-centered and your God has broken down the food chain with his beloved humanity at the top. Humanity alone earns the right to have a whole section of the universe reserved for them. Heaven is reserved for their reward for being a believer and hell for those who don't think like you.

well yes why not they gotta go somewhere too right...so why not the very same place as us would get a little boring over there after 10.000 years only living with humans
2nd

Heaven is reserved for their reward for being a believer and hell for those who don't think like you.

that's funny you seen to oppose that idea while at the very same time you judge following the exact same principle

What about your favorite cat? Is there a heaven for them too? Then you are told that because you loved them they will go to heaven with you.

yes i think so and no its never been told me.

Ah, so if you love something and it dies it will live on in an afterlife?

as quantum physics proves yes such a thing could indeed be so
actual scientific proof and result show that we are the programmers of this world and by setting our minds straight we can indeed rewrite the script

Sorry, heaven and afterlife are simply vane mythologies. Just because you believe in your religion or love your cat enough.. doesn't make afterlife true. The universe is not about you, about your religion, or about your need to feel secure about what happens to you after you die. You will be dust.

sorry but your perspective of the world is a vane mythology
and the universe indeed is about us the living things that create it and are a more important then holographic dead rock

The best you can hope for is to be remembered by those who love you and to have made a difference in people's lives. That is your reward.

well if that's the fruit of your very best hopes it makes you an even sadder being i can imagine

good luck in lucifer land i for one shall have eternal bliss :lol:

roose · by **roose** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:45 am

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I would like to know more about the Christian religion

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