ddd wrote:

fuzoid wrote: So this could explain why different areas of the brain light up depending on the task. As far as memories are concerned, while it does appear that specific memories are stored in specific locations of the brain, if the research of neurologist, Karl Pribram, is any indication, this is an illusion as well. According to Pribram, it appears the brain stores memories holographically.

I've been reading about this....he has a point, many points. Ideas like this would explain my little precognition episode. Or how someone like Kim Peak can perform his incredible feats of memory, even lacking a connection between the hemispheres of his brain. Divide a hologram in two and both halves still contain the whole. Though it blows my mind somewhat trying to consider Everything is one. Obviously it always will - proven or not/ because we're just not wired to think that way. Why is that I wonder. Too big for me to make sense of I'm afraid.

Yeah, it boggles the mind. I've read many theories that try to explain this and in my mind the one that comes the closest is everything is part of God. I believe Richard Bach summed it up best in his book One. I'm paraphrasing here but he basically said that each drop of water is one with the ocean.

fuzoid wrote:

ddd wrote:First, an experience like that would be hard to write off. If it was me, perhaps I would have tried nevertheless But, I believe you - and I can see how something of that nature (apart from saving your life) would have a great effect on your beliefs and viewpoints.

fuzoid wrote:I did try to write it off as an overactive imagination. I had 7 days hooked up to an antibiotic IV to think about nothing but! And the more I thought about it, the more I was forced to accept it for what it was. Not knowing where to turn, I spoke with some born again co-workers. They convinced me it was Jesus. This is how I became involved in the church. I came to believe Jesus saved me for a reason and threw myself into it whole heartedly. I eventually studied to be a pastor. But as luck would have it my inquisitive and scientific inclinations forced me to look outside of the Christian mainstream. I figured if Christianity was for real, then science would support it. It didn't. So I was forced to look elsewhere and I have never looked back.

Right, now I'm getting the picture. I'd often wondered how someone like yourself could have been practicing to be a pastor. It all seemed at odds to me. Were you an atheist or agnostic before your experience if you don't mind my asking? I'm thinking Texas must be a part of the bible belt. Oh, I'm an Aussie by the way.

Your comments on evolution, religion as a motivator for a soul, and OBE's not working within the entanglement idea make sense. You've been thinking on this for a while hey. It really doesn't lend itself to current ideas of what is and isn't natural. This could be the sort of thing I was talking about when I said how shocking it would be to jump forward to the world in another thousand years. Hey, maybe even a hundred. Say a world where we have proven the existence of a spirit, or perhaps utilize the holographic principle to jump spacecraft to any point in the universe! Sorry - sci-fi nut coming through, I'm really pissed we won't be doing that in my lifetime. But perhaps it won't matter if I can do it for myself one day. Or go beyond it altogether.

About the book. I'm expecting a little boredom, but it's exactly the kind of thing I want to be reading on this subject. A good analytical scientific approach. I must admit I never thought I'd come to question my convictions on a site like this! Especially my views on death. Cheers for sticking with me whilst I tried to lever my mind open a little to have a look around.

Won't be around too much for a while, I'm back to some full time work with a contractor diverting a creek (involving a lot of wire cages and a lot of rock handling...yay.) But it's great because sometimes I think a little too much for my own good. Anyways, I'll be around here and there.

Cheers

While I was in India I met a man who had 2 previous heart attacks and had a final one where he died. In his NDE He was taken by two Angels to some Angel in charge and they asked him his name and then they asked him his fathers name. It turned out that the angels had taken the wrong man they where supposed to take a man with the same name but with a different father, so the Angel in charge told them to go and put him back. His body was lying on a bed in the hospital and his best friend went up to it crying only to see that something was moving so he lifted the sheet and he was alive. To this day this man has NO SIGNS OF EVER HAVING A HEART CONDITION and has a new lease on life. This is a true story from his experience.

Also, my best friends mother died and she was upset that her mother hadn't come to see her in a dream after her death. It took a couple of weeks but her mother came to her in a dream, she was beautiful looking younger in a meadow my friend was in a vehicle, her mother walked up to the vehicle the window opened and she bent down and kissed her cheek said she was happy. Then she said "THE WORLD I LIVE IN IS THE REAL WORLD".

ddd wrote:First, an experience like that would be hard to write off. If it was me, perhaps I would have tried nevertheless But, I believe you - and I can see how something of that nature (apart from saving your life) would have a great effect on your beliefs and viewpoints.

fuzoid wrote:I did try to write it off as an overactive imagination. I had 7 days hooked up to an antibiotic IV to think about nothing but! And the more I thought about it, the more I was forced to accept it for what it was. Not knowing where to turn, I spoke with some born again co-workers. They convinced me it was Jesus. This is how I became involved in the church. I came to believe Jesus saved me for a reason and threw myself into it whole heartedly. I eventually studied to be a pastor. But as luck would have it my inquisitive and scientific inclinations forced me to look outside of the Christian mainstream. I figured if Christianity was for real, then science would support it. It didn't. So I was forced to look elsewhere and I have never looked back.

ddd wrote:Right, now I'm getting the picture. I'd often wondered how someone like yourself could have been practicing to be a pastor. It all seemed at odds to me.

Actually, it's not all that unusual. I believe I once mentioned a fire and brimstone pastor who experienced an NDE and returned from it with a more universal outlook. He is still a Christian pastor but he no longer believes in hell, the devil, or eternal punishment, just to name a few dogmas. His teachings became more akin to Unitarian Universalist.

Were you an atheist or agnostic before your experience if you don't mind my asking?

Spirituality has always been important to me so I would say it's safe to assume I've always had some form of belief. It was religion I never believed in. So it came as a big surprise to me that I became involved with religion after my experience. The only thing I can think of is I was searching for answers, any answers, and I was susceptible to religion at that time. Fortunately I regained my senses. LOL!!!

I'm thinking Texas must be a part of the bible belt.

Yeah, I live in the Bible belt...now. But I'm originally from Connecticut and was living in Rhode Island at the time.

Oh, I'm an Aussie by the way.

Thanks for the clarification. For some reason I thought I saw your location as the UK.

Your comments on evolution, religion as a motivator for a soul, and OBE's not working within the entanglement idea make sense. You've been thinking on this for a while hey.

Yeah, something like that. Although Gerald Scroeder's Genesis and the Big Bang was a real eye opener for me, it was Gary Zucav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters that gave me the push in the right direction, to my satisfaction. And it was also kind of hard ignoring all the anecdotal evidence of the NDE. I've read far too many books on the subject to write it off as the workings of the brain. The verified evidence just didn't support such a naturalistic explanation.

It really doesn't lend itself to current ideas of what is and isn't natural.

Current ideas, yes. But if this is all true, it can't be anything but natural!

This could be the sort of thing I was talking about when I said how shocking it would be to jump forward to the world in another thousand years. Hey, maybe even a hundred. Say a world where we have proven the existence of a spirit, or perhaps utilize the holographic principle to jump spacecraft to any point in the universe! Sorry - sci-fi nut coming through, I'm really pissed we won't be doing that in my lifetime. But perhaps it won't matter if I can do it for myself one day. Or go beyond it altogether.

No problem, I'm a sci-fi nut myself! My all time favorite book is Isaac Asimov's The Foundation Trilogy. It's a long read but very well worth it. I also enjoy fantasy. My favorite books in this genre are Stephen R. Donaldson's The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant The Unbeliever. Another very long read (6 books total) but well worth it. Anyway, jumping to any point in the universe may be considered as sci-fi now. But if it's true we live in a non-local universe, which all the evidence seems to point at, then we're already there! We just need to recognize this fact! And before you ask, no, I have no idea how to do this. LOL!!!

About the book. I'm expecting a little boredom, but it's exactly the kind of thing I want to be reading on this subject. A good analytical scientific approach. I must admit I never thought I'd come to question my convictions on a site like this! Especially my views on death. Cheers for sticking with me whilst I tried to lever my mind open a little to have a look around.

Then you're in for a very interesting and informative read. And fortunately Dr. Ring answers emails if you have any questions for him. Or at least he used to. And no problem regarding sticking with it. I enjoy talking about the topic and if I can be of assistance, I will. I guess you can say I traded Christian proselytizing for spiritual proselytizing, with one huge difference. I no longer believe my path is the only path and those that don't travel it are going to hell.

Won't be around too much for a while, I'm back to some full time work with a contractor diverting a creek (involving a lot of wire cages and a lot of rock handling...yay.) But it's great because sometimes I think a little too much for my own good. Anyways, I'll be around here and there.

Cheers

Ha ha ha!!! Nothing like some honest hard work to occupy your mind. Well, I'm just glad to hear you're working. I know cash is a bit tight for you right now and any work is a blessing. So here's to work! We'll talk again when you have the time.

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Hey, just got back from work and Life At Death was here waiting for me. Only took 2 weeks to get here! Much surprised, and I'll start reading it this weekend. I'm a bit more cashed up now, and a little more relaxed mentally too, so I'm thinking I might order a book or two on the holographic universe.

Sci-fi, probably the first author whom pulled me into the genre was Steven Baxter. His characters were pretty 2 dimensional but the ideas!! Mind expanding indeed...kind of like this topic. Funnily enough, when I started talking with you here I was just finishing off the Night's Dawn trilogy by Peter F Hamilton - basically about a future human civilization being forced to come to terms with the discovered existence of the soul. If I was superstitious fella Id be wondering about that! lol..though I am superstitious when it comes to fishing...

Anyways, give us a week - and I'll no doubt want to discuss a few things from the book.

Cheers

ddd wrote:Hey, just got back from work and Life At Death was here waiting for me. Only took 2 weeks to get here! Much surprised, and I'll start reading it this weekend. I'm a bit more cashed up now, and a little more relaxed mentally too, so I'm thinking I might order a book or two on the holographic universe.

Sci-fi, probably the first author whom pulled me into the genre was Steven Baxter. His characters were pretty 2 dimensional but the ideas!! Mind expanding indeed...kind of like this topic. Funnily enough, when I started talking with you here I was just finishing off the Night's Dawn trilogy by Peter F Hamilton - basically about a future human civilization being forced to come to terms with the discovered existence of the soul. If I was superstitious fella Id be wondering about that! lol..though I am superstitious when it comes to fishing...

Anyways, give us a week - and I'll no doubt want to discuss a few things from the book.

Cheers

Your week is up, so how's that book coming along? LOL!!! Seriously, if you can finish this book in one week and understand what you've read then you've missed your calling. Let me know when you're ready to discuss it.

I had a N.D.E. I won't talk about it publicly because I won't have it tivialized. Also I've had N.D.E.s in my sleep, I've actually died in my sleep, fought demons in my sleep, went through the 'rapture' in my sleep, fought the devil and his minions during that rapture, fell asleep in my dreams, died in my dreams, went to hell in my dream, and fall off cliffs and high points and actually hit the ground. I don't wake before I hit, I wake on the bounce, it hurts sometimes. Oh yeah, once I was the born anti-Christ in my dream! Had a red star over my position on the planet and everything.

So, if these things interest anyone they may contact me via myspace, or if your registered, my email on this site.

My myspace is: htttp://www.myspace.com/Jaime_Hyme

Thank you. PS any judgement upon me will be returned 3 fold by The Lord!

any judgement upon me will be returned 3 fold by The Lord!

What does this mean? Does it mean don't insult you? I can't help making judgements, although I don't have to share them, and I don't have to proceed as if they are accurate.

Jaime.Colombani wrote:I had a N.D.E. I won't talk about it publicly because I won't have it tivialized. Also I've had N.D.E.s in my sleep, I've actually died in my sleep, fought demons in my sleep, went through the 'rapture' in my sleep, fought the devil and his minions during that rapture, fell asleep in my dreams, died in my dreams, went to hell in my dream, and fall off cliffs and high points and actually hit the ground. I don't wake before I hit, I wake on the bounce, it hurts sometimes. Oh yeah, once I was the born anti-Christ in my dream! Had a red star over my position on the planet and everything.

So, if these things interest anyone they may contact me via myspace, or if your registered, my email on this site.

My myspace is: htttp://www.myspace.com/Jaime_Hyme

Thank you. PS any judgement upon me will be returned 3 fold by The Lord!

Far be it for me to question your experiences. However, I do need to ask, have you ever been declared clinically dead? If not, then none of what you experienced was an NDE. They would have all been dreams. The reason I question whether you actually had an NDE is because the majority do not associate any type of religion with their experience. Non-judgemental spirituality, yes. But no religion. And according to your above description and MySpace page, you are Christian. This in no way demeans any of your dreams. But according to all the literature I've read on the subject, your expectations will influence your experience up to the point of the core experience. And since you obviously have very profound Christian beliefs, it is these beliefs that have influenced your dreams. My advice for whatever it's worth? Do not focus on the negative aspects of your faith as this is what you will experience. Try focusing more on the light and love of God. Focus on the positive and your dreams will change.

Do you mind if I ask what type of church do you attend? During my Christian days, I was a member of a full Gospel charismatic church. Although I really liked the majority of the people that attended, this church always focused on the negative. Meaning the devil (who I no longer believe in), hell, the evils of society, the evils of those who did not believe as they did, etc... So rather than seeing the inherent goodness of people, all they saw were sinners and focued on that. Their outlook was negative and fearful and they failed to recognize they were creating their own hell. Instead they should have been focusing on the positive and helping the community with no expectations of anything in return. It was their religious fear that held them back.

I noticed you make no mention of entering a realm of light and being met by loved ones or a spiritual guide. This alone tells me you may not have experienced an NDE.

You have quite the eclectic taste in music. If you're up to it, check out the music of Neal Morse. He's a co-founder of the progressive rock band, Spock's Beard, but eventually went it alone after becoming a Christian. Although his music style has not changed, his message has. Although I no longer agree with the message, the music is top notch done in the style of Spock's Beard. Enjoy!

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