God and Heaven do exist.
I was with my human father in the hospital when he died for 2 and 1/2 minutes. All medical equipment attached to his body proved that this event did happen. When he regained consciousness he requested that family and hospital professionals come to his hospital room one week and one day before his final passing. My Dad preached an incredible sermon concerning life after physical death and invited all attending to ask questions. When it was my turn. I asked what heaven was like. My Dad replied that Heaven was real but not like the parable in the bible "streets of gold" He said Heaven is not a physical place. He then told of seeing people he had worked with, his parents, grandparents, friends and people that had not physically died yet. I was confused by his later statement "People that had not passed yet" I asked just how that could be possible. This is what he said. Son, Heaven is Past, Present and Future all in one. I recognize people's spirit not their earthly body. I do not see you.... But I will see you if you spread the "WORD" of God and do His works from this day forward. I then asked my Dad why we humans were here on this planet called Earth. He smiled and said. It's really simple; God sends us here to go to school when we arrive in Heaven God ask us what did we learn ! My Dad: George Lee Credle

curtis credle wrote:God and Heaven do exist.
I was with my human father in the hospital when he died for 2 and 1/2 minutes. All medical equipment attached to his body proved that this event did happen. When he regained consciousness he requested that family and hospital professionals come to his hospital room one week and one day before his final passing. My Dad preached an incredible sermon concerning life after physical death and invited all attending to ask questions. When it was my turn. I asked what heaven was like. My Dad replied that Heaven was real but not like the parable in the bible "streets of gold" He said Heaven is not a physical place. He then told of seeing people he had worked with, his parents, grandparents, friends and people that had not physically died yet. I was confused by his later statement "People that had not passed yet" I asked just how that could be possible. This is what he said. Son, Heaven is Past, Present and Future all in one. I recognize people's spirit not their earthly body. I do not see you.... But I will see you if you spread the "WORD" of God and do His works from this day forward. I then asked my Dad why we humans were here on this planet called Earth. He smiled and said. It's really simple; God sends us here to go to school when we arrive in Heaven God ask us what did we learn ! My Dad: George Lee Credle

I think this question might work it out

Did your dad believe in god before he "died"

curtis credle wrote:God and Heaven do exist.
I was with my human father in the hospital when he died for 2 and 1/2 minutes. All medical equipment attached to his body proved that this event did happen. When he regained consciousness he requested that family and hospital professionals come to his hospital room one week and one day before his final passing. My Dad preached an incredible sermon concerning life after physical death and invited all attending to ask questions.

According to many of the accounts I've read about, most are reluctant to speak of their experience at first. It's possible your father knew he was going to die and felt the urge to speak of his experience before passing?

When it was my turn. I asked what heaven was like. My Dad replied that Heaven was real but not like the parable in the bible "streets of gold" He said Heaven is not a physical place.

Most make the same claim. Actually, most say everything is made of light!

He then told of seeing people he had worked with, his parents, grandparents, friends and people that had not physically died yet. I was confused by his later statement "People that had not passed yet" I asked just how that could be possible. This is what he said. Son, Heaven is Past, Present and Future all in one. I recognize people's spirit not their earthly body. I do not see you.... But I will see you if you spread the "WORD" of God and do His works from this day forward.

This experience is rather unusual. I do not remember reading of anyone seeing loved ones who have not passed on yet. However, since time truly does not exist as we understand it, I cannot discount this possibility. This could be what is described as our higher self? According to theory, while our spirit may be inhabiting a physical body, our higher self remains in what your father called heaven.

I need to ask, what did your father mean by spreading the Word? What Word was he speaking of? Because most NDErs do not equate their experience with religion of any kind. In fact, most return claiming that religions have it all wrong! I remember reading of one case where a fundamentalist Christian preacher experienced an NDE. This guy was a real fire and brimstone, doom and gloom, Baptist preacher. When he returned from his experience, he renounced his faith as he formally understood it and began teaching a universal spirituality which did not include a hell or a devil. After his experience he realized ALL return to heaven.

I then asked my Dad why we humans were here on this planet called Earth. He smiled and said. It's really simple; God sends us here to go to school when we arrive in Heaven God ask us what did we learn ! My Dad: George Lee Credle

This is the same that most NDErs experience. However, many take it a step further. They will also tell you that the learning does not stop and that we continue with our studies in heaven. Many will also tell you that while the earth is a school, it is a karmic school. And that we continue to return until we finally get it right. However, as I understand it, this is our choice. According to theory, we choose whether or not to return to the earth because the level of progression is quicker here.

I look forward to your answer to my question.

fuzoid
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George wrote:

curtis credle wrote:God and Heaven do exist.
I was with my human father in the hospital when he died for 2 and 1/2 minutes. All medical equipment attached to his body proved that this event did happen. When he regained consciousness he requested that family and hospital professionals come to his hospital room one week and one day before his final passing. My Dad preached an incredible sermon concerning life after physical death and invited all attending to ask questions. When it was my turn. I asked what heaven was like. My Dad replied that Heaven was real but not like the parable in the bible "streets of gold" He said Heaven is not a physical place. He then told of seeing people he had worked with, his parents, grandparents, friends and people that had not physically died yet. I was confused by his later statement "People that had not passed yet" I asked just how that could be possible. This is what he said. Son, Heaven is Past, Present and Future all in one. I recognize people's spirit not their earthly body. I do not see you.... But I will see you if you spread the "WORD" of God and do His works from this day forward. I then asked my Dad why we humans were here on this planet called Earth. He smiled and said. It's really simple; God sends us here to go to school when we arrive in Heaven God ask us what did we learn ! My Dad: George Lee Credle

I think this question might work it out

Did your dad believe in god before he "died"

I don't get what you're asking? How would a belief in God induce an experience? How would it work it out? Work what out?

fuzoid
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

fuzoid wrote:

George wrote:

curtis credle wrote:God and Heaven do exist.
I was with my human father in the hospital when he died for 2 and 1/2 minutes. All medical equipment attached to his body proved that this event did happen. When he regained consciousness he requested that family and hospital professionals come to his hospital room one week and one day before his final passing. My Dad preached an incredible sermon concerning life after physical death and invited all attending to ask questions. When it was my turn. I asked what heaven was like. My Dad replied that Heaven was real but not like the parable in the bible "streets of gold" He said Heaven is not a physical place. He then told of seeing people he had worked with, his parents, grandparents, friends and people that had not physically died yet. I was confused by his later statement "People that had not passed yet" I asked just how that could be possible. This is what he said. Son, Heaven is Past, Present and Future all in one. I recognize people's spirit not their earthly body. I do not see you.... But I will see you if you spread the "WORD" of God and do His works from this day forward. I then asked my Dad why we humans were here on this planet called Earth. He smiled and said. It's really simple; God sends us here to go to school when we arrive in Heaven God ask us what did we learn ! My Dad: George Lee Credle

I think this question might work it out

Did your dad believe in god before he "died"

I don't get what you're asking? How would a belief in God induce an experience? How would it work it out? Work what out?

fuzoid
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

well he could just have lied all along just to make everyone a god believer
and any way i said i " Think it might work it out"

George wrote:I think this question might work it out

Did your dad believe in god before he "died"

fuzoid wrote:I don't get what you're asking? How would a belief in God induce an experience? How would it work it out? Work what out?

fuzoid
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

George wrote:well he could just have lied all along just to make everyone a god believer
and any way i said i " Think it might work it out"

I prefer to give everyone the benefit of doubt by not assuming they are lying. If given a reason, then I would have no problems doubting. But there was nothing in his post that would lead me to believe he was anything but sincere. And I don't see how sharing an experience of his grandfather's NDE would turn a non-believer into a believer. There are many more convincing NDE anecdotes on near-death.com that the non-believer could peruse if they choose to.

Anyway, your response does answer any of my questions. So I ask them again. What might it work out? How would a belief in God induce an experience? Especially considering they are universal in nature with many so-called hardcore atheists experiencing them as well. In other words, a belief is not required. But don't take my word for it, check out the evidence for yourself! In fact, I don't want you taking my word for it! The evidence is there for all to read and to form their own opinion. I'm only a messenger.

fuzoid
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

fuzoid wrote:

George wrote:

curtis credle wrote:God and Heaven do exist.
I was with my human father in the hospital when he died for 2 and 1/2 minutes. All medical equipment attached to his body proved that this event did happen. When he regained consciousness he requested that family and hospital professionals come to his hospital room one week and one day before his final passing. My Dad preached an incredible sermon concerning life after physical death and invited all attending to ask questions. When it was my turn. I asked what heaven was like. My Dad replied that Heaven was real but not like the parable in the bible "streets of gold" He said Heaven is not a physical place. He then told of seeing people he had worked with, his parents, grandparents, friends and people that had not physically died yet. I was confused by his later statement "People that had not passed yet" I asked just how that could be possible. This is what he said. Son, Heaven is Past, Present and Future all in one. I recognize people's spirit not their earthly body. I do not see you.... But I will see you if you spread the "WORD" of God and do His works from this day forward. I then asked my Dad why we humans were here on this planet called Earth. He smiled and said. It's really simple; God sends us here to go to school when we arrive in Heaven God ask us what did we learn ! My Dad: George Lee Credle

I think this question might work it out

Did your dad believe in god before he "died"

I don't get what you're asking? How would a belief in God induce an experience? How would it work it out? Work what out?

fuzoid
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

Surely it could be that if the origial posters dad was a believer in the first place his mind would have expected such an experience to have occured and so his mind was already tuned for this to happen - so that when he "died" for a short time his mind entered a dream like state at which point his predetermined beliefs came the fore and his dad essentially dreamed this occurance?

I'm not saying the OP's dad is lieing - he may well have experienced this but is confusing his dream like state to be reality - we have all had those dreams that we swear are real - only last week I dreamt that my car had been stolen - when I woke up my girlfriend asked what were going to do that weekend and I said not much as I didnt have my car - it was easy to prove that this was false - I just had to look out of the window to see my car parked safely - unfortunately though, as the existance of heaven etc is essentially impossible to prove it would not be so easy for the OP's father to see that he had dreamed during his NDE.

BuckyOHare wrote:Surely it could be that if the origial posters dad was a believer in the first place his mind would have expected such an experience to have occured and so his mind was already tuned for this to happen - so that when he "died" for a short time his mind entered a dream like state at which point his predetermined beliefs came the fore and his dad essentially dreamed this occurance?

Extremely unlikely. Research has confirmed that no belief is required for an NDE to occur. There are many cases of hardcore atheists experiencing NDEs only to return with a profound spiritual belief. And someone's expectations usually do not influence the core experience.

I'm not saying the OP's dad is lieing - he may well have experienced this but is confusing his dream like state to be reality - we have all had those dreams that we swear are real

Understood. They are known as vivid dreams. I normally do not remember my dreams. And when I do, they usually come true... to a certain extent. For example, on the morning of 911, I had a very vivid dream that I was in the army or marines in a desert country pointing my rifle at a second floor window. I was providing cover for my buddies who were crossing the street to clean out a house of insurgents. I literally woke my wife to tell her about it because she's a bit of a skeptic herself. When I arrived at work is when I first heard about the terrorist attack on the WTC. Shortly after that my wife called to tell me about it. It was then that I immediately knew we were going to war. And while my wife is still a bit of a skeptic, she's no longer hardcore. I guess you could now call her a skeptical believer.

only last week I dreamt that my car had been stolen - when I woke up my girlfriend asked what were going to do that weekend and I said not much as I didnt have my car - it was easy to prove that this was false - I just had to look out of the window to see my car parked safely

Lucky for you it wasn't a premonition. LOL!!! You will tell me if your car ever does get stolen, right? <grin>

unfortunately though, as the existance of heaven etc is essentially impossible to prove it would not be so easy for the OP's father to see that he had dreamed during his NDE.

I don't know the specifics of this case so I can't say for sure. This would be a question for the medical staff that was attending him. What I find unusual about this case is that the father claimed to see people who were still alive. I have never read of a single case, and I have read thousands, where someone claimed to see loved ones that were still alive. Actually, it's usually the opposite. Meaning they would see loved ones who have died and they had no prior knowledge of their death. Or they would meet relatives they have never met or knew existed only to be confirmed when they returned. Ironically, I have read of a case where an individual met a soul who was waiting to incarnate. The soul told the individual who the mother was going to be (a relative), what sex it was going to be, and when it was going to be born. Shortly after returning from the experience, their relative became pregnant and eventually gave birth exactly as described by this soul.

fuzoid
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

curtis credle wrote:God and Heaven do exist.
I was with my human father in the hospital when he died for 2 and 1/2 minutes. All medical equipment attached to his body proved that this event did happen. When he regained consciousness he requested that family and hospital professionals come to his hospital room one week and one day before his final passing. My Dad preached an incredible sermon concerning life after physical death and invited all attending to ask questions. When it was my turn. I asked what heaven was like. My Dad replied that Heaven was real but not like the parable in the bible "streets of gold" He said Heaven is not a physical place. He then told of seeing people he had worked with, his parents, grandparents, friends and people that had not physically died yet. I was confused by his later statement "People that had not passed yet" I asked just how that could be possible. This is what he said. Son, Heaven is Past, Present and Future all in one. I recognize people's spirit not their earthly body. I do not see you.... But I will see you if you spread the "WORD" of God and do His works from this day forward. I then asked my Dad why we humans were here on this planet called Earth. He smiled and said. It's really simple; God sends us here to go to school when we arrive in Heaven God ask us what did we learn ! My Dad: George Lee Credle

How can your dad ask people to come to his hospital room 1 week and 1 day before he dies? How does he know this?

It was nothing more than a dream he had (if the op didn't just make up a story to place on here). The brain is the last organ to die in a natural death, so dreaming is not uncommon.

To answer the question "why are we here". Ready for this? Here it comes...To continue the species. WOW nothing supernatural about it ! When you die, get this, you take a dirt nap ! Reality may suck for a few, but the truth is the truth, but trying to get this truth through to some people equates to trying to teach a rock to speak, their that dense in the head