I watched a video where a group of doctors are beginning to study what happens when people die. I'm excited about this new forum topic and hope that other people have some interesting stories as well. Check out this video:

2012 wrote:I watched a video where a group of doctors are beginning to study what happens when people die. I'm excited about this new forum topic and hope that other people have some interesting stories as well. Check out this video:

This is a video about Pam Reynolds, the case I mentioned in a previous post regarding hypothermic cardiac arrest. This is the only case that I am aware of that was under controlled conditions where the doctors were in complete control. Since it was the doctors who induced cardiac arrest and brain death (for all practical purposes), imagine their surprise when Pam began describing the procedure and instruments used, and of course her full blown NDE, while brain dead. As I've said before, no brain wave activity means no experience (which the doctors confirm). But Pam did have an experience and her descriptions [of the procedure, instruments, and comments during the procedure] were right on target.

In my opinion, this not only confirms life after bodily death, but also that our consciousness (spirit?) exists independently of the brain and fits the holographic universe theory to a tee! That is to say, our universe, if a hologram, is an illusion consisting of the wave function (matter has a dual nature of wave and particle). By default, this would also have to include our body (which the brain is obviously a part of). So if our body (brain) is also an illusion (meaning consciousness cannot be an emergent property of the brain, but rather the reverse), what is interpreting the wave function into objective reality? Consciousness (spirit?)! So what does this mean for us? We are pure consciousness, energy beings, and our lives are illusion. So, either someone or something (God? A designer? Ourselves?) is projecting the hologram for a purpose, whatever it may be, and we are a part of the illusion. Meaning, even though we have no clue what it is (although many will say they have the answer), our life in this illusion has purpose! And in my humble opinion, it has absolutely nothing to do with religion of any kind!

What say you? Does anyone have an alternative explanation? If so I would like to hear it.

fuzoid
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Is this an isolated case?

I would have imagined that when this occured the doctors would have been so amazed that they would have conducted many other experiments in the same controlled environment?
After all - thats what science is all about - to test again and again hypothesis to see if they are correct?

So if these doctors did this test over and over on different subjects if it were correct they would get the same results? Now, as this is not a massive international news subject I would hazard a guess that they were unable to replicate said results.

I'm not saying that this lady is wrong - far from it. But if this were proof of life after death or whatever the scientists would be able to replicate it on any subject whenever they liked? As I said previously - the lack of this occuring surely shows that this is a one off and so not cast iron proof of life after death etc?
Isolated cases to not prove anything one way or the other.

BuckyOHare wrote:Is this an isolated case?

Well, since the procedure of hypothermic cardiac arrest is extremely risky, I sure hope so! I would hate to think of a doctor putting someone into standstill to see if it could be repeated. Forget the fact that it would be unethical, but the doctor could lose their license to practice medicine and end up in jail.

I would have imagined that when this occured the doctors would have been so amazed that they would have conducted many other experiments in the same controlled environment?
After all - thats what science is all about - to test again and again hypothesis to see if they are correct?

See above. You're also ignoring the fact that this is a subject that has been seriously studied by the medical profession since the 1970's. Besides, there are plenty of case examples to choose from without putting someone into standstill just to prove a point. I'm curious, how exactly would you perform repeatable tests on the subject of death? Someone would have to die and hopefully be revived for such a test.

So if these doctors did this test over and over on different subjects if it were correct they would get the same results?

As I've mentioned previously, the core experience is usually universal. Meaning most who experience an NDE have the same experience. The only difference is their expectations of a religious figure. For example, a Christian would probably meet Jesus while a Muslim would meet Mohammad. And an atheist would be met by family members. Actually, most NDErs are met by family or very close loved ones, including pets! The life review is usually accompanied by a religious figure of their expectations. But not always. Anyway, I guess you could say this would qualify as the same results.

Now, as this is not a massive international news subject I would hazard a guess that they were unable to replicate said results.

You are both right and wrong. You are right that they did not replicate the results because as stated, there are serious ethical and legal factors to take into consideration. But you are wrong that the research results are not similar. If you're up to reading dry statistical research, then I highly recommend Life At Death by psychologist, Dr. Kenneth Ring. If dry statistics are not your thing, then there are a plethora of books available on the subject that conform to the scientific method. Before delving too deeply into the topic, I suggest you first read Closer To The Light by pediatrician, Dr. Melvin Morse. Reason being is because this book is about the NDEs of children, children who do not have years of cultural conditioning and who have very innocent beliefs about spirituality. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised.

I'm not saying that this lady is wrong - far from it. But if this were proof of life after death or whatever the scientists would be able to replicate it on any subject whenever they liked?

Actually, Dr. Raymond Moody (he coined the term NDE) built a device that does induce OBEs (out of body experiences). The out of body results are very similar to an NDE. And astronauts in training experience a similar tunnel effect as an NDEr when spinning on a centrifuge. But the difference between these two techniques and an actual NDE is that neither replicate the core experience. And they do not experience a life altering change as an NDEr does.

As I said previously - the lack of this occuring surely shows that this is a one off and so not cast iron proof of life after death etc?

And you would be wrong by an extremely wide margin! The NDE is quite common. Many who have them are reluctant to talk about the experience because it is too personal. But they usually end up telling someone. And many doctors who are told of a patients experience are reluctant to mention it because they fear for their reputations. Anyway, the fact remains that millions have experienced an NDE and many of them are documented. You can read about many of them, plus a whole lot more, here: http://www.near-death.com

Isolated cases to not prove anything one way or the other.

You would be on to something if they were isolated incidents. But they're not! And the anecdotal evidence such as blind people seeing or describing events or conversations that are miles away from their body is overwhelming. You can read about one of the most detailed NDEs that I've ever read in Return From Tomorrow by George Ritchie. You can also find a brief description on near-death.com under the heading Notable NDEs.

fuzoid
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Christ died and rose again. Meaning life after death, period. So it has everything to do with religon.

Guest wrote:Christ died and rose again. Meaning life after death, period. So it has everything to do with religon.

Prove it. The problem, is, you can't. You can't even prove Jesus existed, never mind dying and rising from the grave! However, many of those who have experienced an NDE can prove they were out of the body. And since I'm one who needs evidence, I'm inclined to believe an NDEr before I would believe anything religion has to say. And they claim religion has little to NOTHING to do with it!

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fuzoid wrote:

2012 wrote:I watched a video where a group of doctors are beginning to study what happens when people die. I'm excited about this new forum topic and hope that other people have some interesting stories as well. Check out this video:

This is a video about Pam Reynolds, the case I mentioned in a previous post regarding hypothermic cardiac arrest. This is the only case that I am aware of that was under controlled conditions where the doctors were in complete control. Since it was the doctors who induced cardiac arrest and brain death (for all practical purposes), imagine their surprise when Pam began describing the procedure and instruments used, and of course her full blown NDE, while brain dead. As I've said before, no brain wave activity means no experience (which the doctors confirm). But Pam did have an experience and her descriptions [of the procedure, instruments, and comments during the procedure] were right on target.

In my opinion, this not only confirms life after bodily death, but also that our consciousness (spirit?) exists independently of the brain and fits the holographic universe theory to a tee! That is to say, our universe, if a hologram, is an illusion consisting of the wave function (matter has a dual nature of wave and particle). By default, this would also have to include our body (which the brain is obviously a part of). So if our body (brain) is also an illusion (meaning consciousness cannot be an emergent property of the brain, but rather the reverse), what is interpreting the wave function into objective reality? Consciousness (spirit?)! So what does this mean for us? We are pure consciousness, energy beings, and our lives are illusion. So, either someone or something (God? A designer? Ourselves?) is projecting the hologram for a purpose, whatever it may be, and we are a part of the illusion. Meaning, even though we have no clue what it is (although many will say they have the answer), our life in this illusion has purpose! And in my humble opinion, it has absolutely nothing to do with religion of any kind!

What say you? Does anyone have an alternative explanation? If so I would like to hear it.

fuzoid
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

i agree with fuzoid if someone can accurately describe events while being brain dead that's enough for me too
doesn't really have to get in detail does it
as for the rest yes we indeed live in a holographic world its undeniable at least for me (have never been baptize or religious in any kind of way...in fact i was quite the skeptic and I'm still very skeptical) as i believe one must criticize good in order to make something that is good etc.
this dual nature of matter particle and wave is also undeniable
when a professor studying this subject(forgotten his name will post it later) he said and i believe him that when he heated a particle consistent of 60 apart atoms forming a soccer ball (aka a buckybal buckybal is the hardest material yet discovered btw man made)aah well when he heated the particle to 800 degrees it disappeared out of sight and the weight on his scale dropped ??? this is strange if its true but I'm just wondering with what kind of scales you can weigh a particle as small as that
anyways when he cooled down the spot where the particle once been he appeared again in sight and weight on the scale
this sounded pretty bulletproof to me since it perfectly correlates with everything
and is the only thing capable of explaining what a black hole is
i think a black hole compresses matter to such a state that it will flip between reality's without escape aka continues
therefore forming a permanently doorway to another dimension
now here's a list of thing that correlate with it

the Russians and there heliosphere theory that suggest that black holes spew out particles containing info/messages from another dimension/world those are absorbed by the sun having an effect on it (the picking the particles up from the sun correlates with the electric universe theory suggesting the sun doesn't have a nuclear fernus core but instead only the surface is heated this is backed up with the facts that the actual skin of the sun is 6000 degrees and the atmosphere above it 22 million degrees and the sunspot phenomena that you can actually view inside the suns core (claim mainstream astronomers) if that's so it would not be black and even look like an abyss but extremely bright that's fact we can agree with
some say they are created due to twists and loops in the magnetic field witch is impossible without reason for it and correct me if I'm wrong but would such distortions have a major impact on earth and other planets resulting in a non(for us) life sustainable habitat) anyways the heliosphere theory says that the sun emits those particles as light those particles shoot through our bodies and our DNA gathers bits and pieces and passes it to our souls that again will pass into our brains as instant knowledge this is known as an epiphany and i experienced it many times over at first hand in large proportions

so it seems that some sort of energy passes through us and has its effects those effects are very clear
here's a list of unexplainable things happening in our solar system since a short time period

Sun: Higher activity since 1940 than at any time in previous 11,000 years

Mercury: Unexpected polar ice discovered, along with a surprisingly strong intrinsic magnetic field … for a supposedly “dead” planet

Venus: 2500% increase in auroral brightness, and substantive global atmospheric changes in less than 30 years

Earth: Substantial and obvious world-wide weather and geophysical changes

Mars: “Global Warming,” huge storms, disappearance of polar icecaps

Jupiter: Massive internal warming, over 200% increase in brightness of surrounding plasma clouds

Saturn: Major decrease in rotational speed in only ~20 years, accompanied by surprising surge of X-rays from equator

Uranus: “Really big, big changes” in brightness, increased global cloud activity

Neptune: 40% increase in atmospheric brightness

Pluto: 300% increase in atmospheric pressure, even as Pluto drifts away from the Sun

these things started to occur about 60 to 70 years ago also exactly the time period we stared showing significant improvements in our consciousness hmmm what a coincidence and this is just a minuscule spec of evidence that i know about for some time now
now where have we heard this before uhhmmm ooh yeah that Mayas said exactly what would happen the Mayas said that the alignment (going on for quite some time now corresponding with the technological revolution) would open a gateway from the centre of the milky way so they say a gate of knowledge and wisdom open from the CENTRE of the galaxy
heliosphere research proves black holes emit particles and hmm whats at the centre of our galaxy...right a lot of black holes and a quasar(super massive black hole) seriously can anyone call all that mere coincidence...i think not especially since this is only a small part of the story however i think this is the very most important piece of the puzzle
myth and science go hand in hand with each other more and more

where have we heard that before
mother nature and father technology

zebron and alexandra twin flames

the Maya who said that the masculine(father technology/zebron) and feminine (mother nature/alexandra) energies will rejoin around this period
well that's exactly whats happening nature and technology backing each other up

its clear that the ancient people from all over knew this...and to think we once saw them as devil worshiping savages

note that i have barely included anything yet i could go on for hours and hours about this mega chain or better said chain mail(since everything is about all sustaining all) so I'll just drop it in parts and pieces too

WOW that was INTENSE to sum it up from my (extremely good) memory
i actually had to take a break for breakfast in between... anyway I'll be dropping some more of this soon OK

greets Quetzalcoatl

BuckyOHare wrote:Is this an isolated case?

I would have imagined that when this occurred the doctors would have been so amazed that they would have conducted many other experiments in the same controlled environment?
After all - that's what science is all about - to test again and again hypothesis to see if they are correct?

So if these doctors did this test over and over on different subjects if it were correct they would get the same results? Now, as this is not a massive international news subject I would hazard a guess that they were unable to replicate said results.

I'm not saying that this lady is wrong - far from it. But if this were proof of life after death or whatever the scientists would be able to replicate it on any subject whenever they liked? As I said previously - the lack of this occurring surely shows that this is a one off and so not cast iron proof of life after death etc?
Isolated cases to not prove anything one way or the other.

and how many people do you think are willing to get induced cardiac arrest and brought to a state of brain death
for something not (yet) bulletproof

it will never make it to the mainstream media it will result in the government losing their grip over people
in 2005 bush signed the north American union bill making Canada, Mexico and the us one in a same way the European union does
such a thing would be expected to hit the front pages worldwide huh ??? instead you hear about it from a well informed kid 4 years after so you just guess that the experiment failed

well it didn't make the news obviously because the mainstream media is owned by the banking elite that own you and me and even your family members too but not for long anymore cause we wont take this crap any longer at some point in the very near future

like proof of life after death would extend no further then Pam Reynolds
yeah right look around you and open you eyes real good this time

Guest wrote:Christ died and rose again. Meaning life after death, period. So it has everything to do with religon.

true but by farrrrrrrrrrr not everything
if you had an image of god being one being your wrong
we all are god as a collective
there can be no one god because one cannot rule all if this where so this would immediately manifest in a world only he like
we must learn a lesson from the aboriginals they respected their creators but did not expect them to save them when things got messy after all we are created as a self sustaining species capable of defending ourselves

so don't sit sin and wait for Jesus to pop up and save you while you don't even deserve it
therefore WE as the human(oid) race have to take action ourselves to end the sorry state the world is in today

pleaes do not tell me you expected heaven to fly towards you no matter what you do, you must deserve it

fuzoid wrote:

Guest wrote:Christ died and rose again. Meaning life after death, period. So it has everything to do with religion.

Prove it. The problem, is, you can't. You can't even prove Jesus existed, never mind dying and rising from the grave! However, many of those who have experienced an NDE can prove they were out of the body. And since I'm one who needs evidence, I'm inclined to believe an NDEr before I would believe anything religion has to say. And they claim religion has little to NOTHING to do with it!

Religion is a belief of the supernatural or conscious living spiritual being. You do not have to be a believer to have contact with God. I am sure you've read a lot of it in the bible.

You want proof huh!
First, what make you think you deserve/qualify to have a direct contact with God? Even Moses who was well qualified, did not have face to face contact with God - only through a burning bush.
Second, you saw the above video and believe the existence of a conscious living invisible/spiritual being.
Third, you must also have seen video of testimony of individual who has visually observed invisible being like Dr. Taff.
Forth, the Bible contains testimonies and witnesses that prove God's existence, only that it is not current and cannot be verified.
Now, the only difference between God or Jesus and other living invisible beings is that God is the supreme ruler who possesses the power, that's it. So since there are already proofs of living invisible beings then those are proofs that prove God's existence, because in the spiritual world there has to be one who is superior too.
I think George Ritchie's story is extraordinary enough as proof. What more do you expect? You're not going to get face to face or a show-and-tell, I can tell you that much. Other than that I think you're just confuse with religious and scientific terminologies, associations and representations. H2O is water but energy/particle/mass/element are not conscious living spiritual beings. Science has abandoned trying to identify God so take it as is, and that's all you going to get. Lastly, if you believe in God and you're wrong, what would be the consequence? But what if you're right which evidence is pointing to? What do you get from believing in science anyway? Nothing! You're not going to live another 100 years. Someone please give me immortal life from science and I will believe in science.