A challenge for all you skeptics

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Re: A challenge for all you skeptics

Postby doser » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:38 am

Why would we test you

There's no way of proving it one way or the other, so merely trying to debate it proves how moronic you are. Especially speaking with such arrogance about something you have absolutely no idea about.

Any bright lights or white lights seen during NDE's are merely the brain being starved of Oxygen.

We might move on after life, but we sure as hell won't be by any pearly gates speaking to St. Peter.

The human brain is not capable of comprehending the mystery of the Universe that has always existed, and was not created by a stupid guy with a white beard.

Most people these days laugh at religion, and listen only to science.

If not, they are morons.
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Re: A challenge for all you skeptics

Postby devil666 » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:15 pm

doser wrote:Why would we test you

There's no way of proving it one way or the other, so merely trying to debate it proves how moronic you are. Especially speaking with such arrogance about something you have absolutely no idea about.

Any bright lights or white lights seen during NDE's are merely the brain being starved of Oxygen.

We might move on after life, but we sure as hell won't be by any pearly gates speaking to St. Peter.

The human brain is not capable of comprehending the mystery of the Universe that has always existed, and was not created by a stupid guy with a white beard.

Most people these days laugh at religion, and listen only to science.

If not, they are morons.

:evil: If you test me you get the truth and there is a way of proving it all. You have yet to read my future posts. As for your post it shows it's you who is the moron and know nothing of this subject. And i speak with great arrogance to you an omnipotent being who's below me and hasn't had any encounters himself. So, in future keep your sarcastic comments to yourself. Maybe you with your superior knowledge can explain to everyone on this website how I described in detail the medical events and contents of other rooms and why some of the best minds in the country wanted to study a 8 year old boy. You can read my old post about my concept on god and religion and by the way would you dispel the police? I don't hide behind a user name anyone could find me. I want to share my experience with every one and I'm just getting started. No doubt I will find more comments from you as I check my post.:twisted:
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Re: A challenge for all you skeptics

Postby Quetzalcoatl » Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:46 pm

Tiapan wrote:Once when I was 17, sitting at the base of a tall tree I sniffed something I should not have, collapsed and next thing I know I'm floating around the top of the tree looking down at my self. Visually I perceived it as pretty real but looking at it more closely there was some thing not quite right, the grass was different I could not see my face and it was the wrong type of tree. There was a sort of pins and needles feeling and the thudding of the heart seems to stop in a sort of stillness there was a buzzing or hum.

Don't know if you call it near death experience or simple carotid occlusion response. Very interesting but it only lasts a few seconds even though it seems much longer. The experience passed quickly and I regained consciousness 30 or so seconds later.

A couple of years later I discovered I was able to induce exactly the same response by temporarily occluding my carotids with my thumbs. THIS IS HIGHLY DANGEROUS YOU COULD DIE! DON'T DO IT. MORE IMPORTANTLY NEVER LET ANY ONE DO IT TO YOU. Any way it's pretty easy to achieve the white light tunnel and seeing the old dead rellos and many other random thoughts. Having experienced similar to that described by many others here my explanation is that the lack of oxygen through decreased blood flow to the head almost immediately induces the white light phenomena, the rest is a jumble of rapid visual memories which we fix on and accept immediately and build, as a discriminating functions begin to fail, mundane things take on a great significance, much the same as someone very drunk becomes more convinced simplistic answers are the answer to everything. Then very shortly later we get total system shutdown, and death. As boring as this explanation sounds I am pretty sure it is right, it does not rely on metaphysical nonsense and the experiment is repeatable if you don't kill yourself in the process.

We all want to believe in life after death, with a few exceptions, and I do actually believe in a sort of life after death, but not in the sense most talk about it here ie that some fictitious individual part of us can some how transcend past the barrier of biological death. In fact the real situation is far more marvelous.

How often have we looked at our children and commented "She has her fathers eyes" or "he has his mothers mouth" etc. There is a good reason for this. My grandmother is dead and she has been cremated and her ashes spread, but she actually lives on in a sense. Not that shes a 1920's flapper in heaven, no she lives on through her children and they through theirs. In fact my grandmother lives on through me. She is actually an entire quarter of my DNA and in my brother is a different quarter and in my sister another quarter etc. We are actually simply a biological manifestation of this really neat code.

I like to relate it to the secular principles as follows. When we bring up our children how we treat them can determine their future. Because we are always a physical part of them, we will also be actually living through their lives, but without our consciousness beyond our own lives. If we treat them badly, beat and desert them then we will be caught in the hell we have created for them, in their life time, even though we may be long dead and turned to dust. On the contrary if we treat them right and give them lots of love and support their lives will be more joyous and enlightened, and once again because we are an integral part of them it will be our heaven as well.
So when I die I turn back to dust but my children live on and carry my soul (Read DNA) with them.

QED


stimulating your carrotids is not an NDE it simply is your brain malfunctioning from the lack of air not that yours was working anyways so keep on doing it.
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Re: A challenge for all you skeptics

Postby Quetzalcoatl » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:02 pm

doser wrote:Why would we test you

There's no way of proving it one way or the other, so merely trying to debate it proves how moronic you are. Especially speaking with such arrogance about something you have absolutely no idea about.

Any bright lights or white lights seen during NDE's are merely the brain being starved of Oxygen.

We might move on after life, but we sure as hell won't be by any pearly gates speaking to St. Peter.

The human brain is not capable of comprehending the mystery of the Universe that has always existed, and was not created by a stupid guy with a white beard.

Most people these days laugh at religion, and listen only to science.

If not, they are morons.

who said i was one of your pitiful humankind
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Re: A challenge for all you skeptics

Postby Gee » Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:03 pm

What is this challange, what is the object and what do you have to do?
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Re: A challenge for all you skeptics

Postby devil666 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:55 pm

Gee wrote:What is this challange, what is the object and what do you have to do?

hi gee sorry for missing your post. i wanted to post a challenge to anyone out there to prove i am very real. i was hoping someone in the scientific world would take up the challenge sadly they never did. I am about to pay for all my own test including a reputable firm to test for a signal that i already know is emitted by me. then take my findings to a university for further testing regarding all my encounters. :D
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Re: A challenge for all you skeptics

Postby Gee » Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:53 pm

What exactly is it you think you are? What is it you can do? What is the purpose of this signal you apparently submit?
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Re: A challenge for all you skeptics

Postby Guest » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:00 am

Gee wrote:What exactly is it you think you are? What is it you can do? What is the purpose of this signal you apparently submit?

Hi gee. I am only a man like anyone else that's come to terms with events occurring, since 8 years old. I post some of my encounters on this site as it helps me overcome the terrible trauma. I couldn't turn to anybody and face it alone. I find it frustrating no one believes my accounts at face value some are scary. I am sometimes called upon to investigate strange events by close friends and past employers regarding supernatural events. I reported a murder to fareham police station. The presence i have with me and the others as i call them are the real stars along with all my implants. This is why i have abilities. I wish i could claim the credit to all. What i can do is direct them to effect the subject i choose. I am not going into the other stuff until proven by a credible institution. One of my implants up my nose cavity was picked up on x ray gives off a signal. After the introduction of police, on board scanners to track suspect motorist my signal was picked up by this equipment. Whereever i go, say on holiday the others will follow and track me like a guardian angel. So i am just a puppet. Talk to you soon
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Re: A challenge for all you skeptics

Postby BuckyOHare » Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:32 pm

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Gee wrote:What exactly is it you think you are? What is it you can do? What is the purpose of this signal you apparently submit?

Hi gee. I am only a man like anyone else that's come to terms with events occurring, since 8 years old. I post some of my encounters on this site as it helps me overcome the terrible trauma. I couldn't turn to anybody and face it alone. I find it frustrating no one believes my accounts at face value some are scary. I am sometimes called upon to investigate strange events by close friends and past employers regarding supernatural events. I reported a murder to fareham police station. The presence i have with me and the others as i call them are the real stars along with all my implants. This is why i have abilities. I wish i could claim the credit to all. What i can do is direct them to effect the subject i choose. I am not going into the other stuff until proven by a credible institution. One of my implants up my nose cavity was picked up on x ray gives off a signal. After the introduction of police, on board scanners to track suspect motorist my signal was picked up by this equipment. Whereever i go, say on holiday the others will follow and track me like a guardian angel. So i am just a puppet. Talk to you soon



Ok - I am open minded - what's this test your talking about? I am ready to partake in such an event if it is going to prove, beyond reasonable doubt the occurrence of NDEs. Please advise on what I need to do and how to undertake the test.


Just to comment on the mail above:

"I post some of my encounters on this site as it helps me overcome the terrible trauma." - just a thought but if the only way you can deal with such a horrific trauma as you have mentioned I would suggest not posting things on here but to seek medical attention. Any terrible mental trauma should be dealt with either by physical medicine or by a psychiatrist.

"I am sometimes called upon to investigate strange events by close friends and past employers regarding supernatural events." - Such as? Examples please.

"I reported a murder to fareham police station." - Fareham Police station in the UK? Did you physically witness a murder, as in you were an eye witness? What was the result of the investigation? Were charges brought against the offender? What was the date of this event? What time did it occur? Can you provide either name of the victim or the alleged assailant? I only ask this as murders and investigations are all recorded and the manner in which this murder was reported will definitely have made the news over here (I also live in the UK) - therefore, you disclosing more information will enable us to check if you are actually telling the truth.

"What i can do is direct them to effect the subject i choose." - To clarify, you believe you have the ability to effect any chosen subject? Examples please. When did you achieve this feat? What happened? Is the person affected able to comment their experience during this incident? If you have this alleged "power" why has it not been made public yet? The ability to control subjects through thought, etc. would make you the most famous man on earth. If you can do this why have you not made this public or already subjected yourself to thorough and exhaustive tests to prove the validity of your claims?

"One of my implants up my nose cavity was picked up on x ray gives off a signal. After the introduction of police, on board scanners to track suspect motorist my signal was picked up by this equipment." - Again, to clarify - you have an implant up your nasal cavity which emits a signal which can be detected by police scanners? FYI - Police scanners (I presume you are talking about anti-speeding cameras or 'laser guns'_ do not pick up 'signals', they merely fire a laser, depending on the time taken for the light to return the firing unit the on board CPU is able to calculate the speed of the target - this has nothing to do with anything (except the laser gun) giving out any sort of signal.


Until you have answered ALL of the above questions then I'm sorry but I, and I would imagine most sane people, will think you are merely a 'fruit cake'.

As stated previously, I am open minded and await your response with anticipation.
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