Tiapan wrote:Once when I was 17, sitting at the base of a tall tree I sniffed something I should not have, collapsed and next thing I know I'm floating around the top of the tree looking down at my self. Visually I perceived it as pretty real but looking at it more closely there was some thing not quite right, the grass was different I could not see my face and it was the wrong type of tree. There was a sort of pins and needles feeling and the thudding of the heart seems to stop in a sort of stillness there was a buzzing or hum.

Don't know if you call it near death experience or simple carotid occlusion response. Very interesting but it only lasts a few seconds even though it seems much longer. The experience passed quickly and I regained consciousness 30 or so seconds later.

A couple of years later I discovered I was able to induce exactly the same response by temporarily occluding my carotids with my thumbs. THIS IS HIGHLY DANGEROUS YOU COULD DIE! DON'T DO IT. MORE IMPORTANTLY NEVER LET ANY ONE DO IT TO YOU. Any way it's pretty easy to achieve the white light tunnel and seeing the old dead rellos and many other random thoughts. Having experienced similar to that described by many others here my explanation is that the lack of oxygen through decreased blood flow to the head almost immediately induces the white light phenomena, the rest is a jumble of rapid visual memories which we fix on and accept immediately and build, as a discriminating functions begin to fail, mundane things take on a great significance, much the same as someone very drunk becomes more convinced simplistic answers are the answer to everything. Then very shortly later we get total system shutdown, and death. As boring as this explanation sounds I am pretty sure it is right, it does not rely on metaphysical nonsense and the experiment is repeatable if you don't kill yourself in the process.

We all want to believe in life after death, with a few exceptions, and I do actually believe in a sort of life after death, but not in the sense most talk about it here ie that some fictitious individual part of us can some how transcend past the barrier of biological death. In fact the real situation is far more marvelous.

How often have we looked at our children and commented "She has her fathers eyes" or "he has his mothers mouth" etc. There is a good reason for this. My grandmother is dead and she has been cremated and her ashes spread, but she actually lives on in a sense. Not that shes a 1920's flapper in heaven, no she lives on through her children and they through theirs. In fact my grandmother lives on through me. She is actually an entire quarter of my DNA and in my brother is a different quarter and in my sister another quarter etc. We are actually simply a biological manifestation of this really neat code.

I like to relate it to the secular principles as follows. When we bring up our children how we treat them can determine their future. Because we are always a physical part of them, we will also be actually living through their lives, but without our consciousness beyond our own lives. If we treat them badly, beat and desert them then we will be caught in the hell we have created for them, in their life time, even though we may be long dead and turned to dust. On the contrary if we treat them right and give them lots of love and support their lives will be more joyous and enlightened, and once again because we are an integral part of them it will be our heaven as well.
So when I die I turn back to dust but my children live on and carry my soul (Read DNA) with them.

QED

yeah but your explanation dousn't fall in the category life after death...its like immediately dismissed automatically
sorry mate but what you are talking about is legacy

in a way ones DNA communicates and cooporates with our soul but the soul wil live on regardless of our physical manifestation

p.s. it still was a enjoyable and pleasureable read and interresting too
a lot improvement compared to mr "reality check" so thanks

Quetzalcoatl wrote:yeah but your explanation dousn't fall in the category life after death...its like immediately dismissed automatically
sorry mate but what you are talking about is legacy

in a way ones DNA communicates and cooporates with our soul but the soul wil live on regardless of our physical manifestation

p.s. it still was a enjoyable and pleasureable read and interresting too
a lot improvement compared to mr "reality check" so thanks

Sorry mate, but i think your dreaming. After the white light there is infinite black, and I have been as close to it as any one I know. There is no such thing as a soul or spirit as defined by those of religious bent (Read Supernatural ie out side the natural universe). Sorry I live in a natural universe so things outside neither affect or bother me. When we die so does consciousness. I'll stick to my conclusion until you can prove the impossible is possible. i must admit as a thought experiment it has tantalizing possibilities, but are they real?

BTW I fully support your right to believe what ever you wish if it makes you feel better. However marijuana and heroin make you feel better too, but for some reason they are illegal. I wonder why? What was it Karl Marx said? That's right he said "Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Cheers

Tiapan wrote:

Quetzalcoatl wrote:yeah but your explanation dousn't fall in the category life after death...its like immediately dismissed automatically
sorry mate but what you are talking about is legacy

in a way ones DNA communicates and cooporates with our soul but the soul wil live on regardless of our physical manifestation

p.s. it still was a enjoyable and pleasureable read and interresting too
a lot improvement compared to mr "reality check" so thanks

Sorry mate, but i think your dreaming. After the white light there is infinite black, and I have been as close to it as any one I know. There is no such thing as a soul or spirit as defined by those of religious bent (Read Supernatural ie out side the natural universe). Sorry I live in a natural universe so things outside neither affect or bother me. When we die so does consciousness. I'll stick to my conclusion until you can prove the impossible is possible. i must admit as a thought experiment it has tantalizing possibilities, but are they real?

BTW I fully support your right to believe what ever you wish if it makes you feel better. However marijuana and heroin make you feel better too, but for some reason they are illegal. I wonder why? What was it Karl Marx said? That's right he said "Religion is the opiate of the masses."

Cheers

Hi mate how are you? We all have our own experiences because yours was blackness doesn't mean it's not there when we die. You could awake in a blink of an eye and 100 years may have past, yet it would seem like yesterday. I base all my posts on real life that's happened to me, not on religious books or other peoples findings. I am just getting started, you may have seen my posts. It's just the beginning as I must move slowly at first. I hope you keep an open mind.

Kind regards from a hardened skeptic.

Sorry mate, but i think your dreaming. After the white light there is infinite black, and I have been as close to it as any one I know. There is no such thing as a soul or spirit as defined by those of religious bent (Read Supernatural ie out side the natural universe). Sorry I live in a natural universe so things outside neither affect or bother me. When we die so does consciousness. I'll stick to my conclusion until you can prove the impossible is possible. i must admit as a thought experiment it has tantalizing possibilities, but are they real?

BTW I fully support your right to believe what ever you wish if it makes you feel better. However marijuana and heroin make you feel better too, but for some reason they are illegal. I wonder why? What was it Karl Marx said? That's right he said "Religion is the opiate of the masses."

CheersTiapan

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im sickened by the fact that you associate both me and the concept "soul" with religious factors
im not religious never was and so does the soul's concept

we classify the soul as something paranormal
however paranormallity is science that we do not understand

keep in mind we are talking about science here NOT religion

also nice to know is that supernatural does not exist its a product of our overactive imagination

allow me to explain science above your grasp

we exist on three different levels
one of em is magnetism
our soul is a magnetic being this magnetic storage place exist as the very outer layers of the omni( all ) it means all exists within it
our physical world is the simplest plain and functions just to complete the other two
its simply the playground the other can work their forces on
the magnetic plain writes the physical plain
yes we (all advanced living beings ever) create the world we live in
a soul is just consciousness
consciousness exist within everything and an organism like me is no more than a channeling device for consciousness to enable it to operate

it is proven that this is true such as the heliosphere study's from the russians
also in the electric universe theory's that are able to clearly explain all we could not before

science now found a way to zap matter into another plain (outside the physical)
the researcher took a fullerene (a fullerene is a bal constructed out of 60 atoms also known as buckybal - it's the strongest hardest material we know of btw its man made

he took the fullerene under his microscope on a weight scale
when he heated the area to a certain heat degree the fullerene disappeared it was not visible through his microscope and the weight on the scale dropped

this particle was zapped to another plain.

when he cooled the area again the fullerene appeared again visually and the weight on his scale got back
this means matter can exist as particle and as wave
in some conditions matter is continuously flipped between the two plains
when this occurs we experience this as a black hole
a black hole is a nomans plain that is consistent of particle and wave and yet the opposite
because of the relentless flipping it has no fixed state
this means a black hole is a place both plains manifest resulting into the fact that a black-hole is a portal
not only that it also transfers information from the wave plain
all yes indeed all our knowledge and wisdom originates from the wave plain
a black hole shoots info into all directions those are attracted by stars attracting this info results in surface fire and immense heat (temperature are different waves heating or cooling) the energy absorption results into changes of temperature waves

the sun shoots out this info as light
the very same light that hits your body
only the info particles are shot straight through us/the whole planet
our dna works like the sun (as above so below) our dna gathers/catches these particles and uploads it to the magnetic plain (our soul)
the change in the consciousness will result into change of reality

when the consciousness changes reality this will mean you now know it ,you just suddenly do, the knowledge comes completely out of the blue it appears as if you figured it out yourself but its not
i know this for a full 100% sure due to my personal experience with it until such measurements that the brainstorm i got almost drove me to complete insanity i just didn't want to know more after 72 sleep less hours of extreme informational processing without any pause

this is the way we progress, without this system ABSOLUTELY NOTHING COULD EVER POSSIBLY EXIST this includes that not even empty space would exist

this sounds so strange we cant imagine a world like it

for more detailed information you have to do careful research on the following topics

-electric universe

-heliosphere study's (by the Russians)

-our DNA and the quantum computer research done

good luck with it, greets Quetzalcoatl

p.s. don't misunderstand me i do respect your way of thinking even though i know im right
i was just like you until a while ago and i know exactly how your mind works
therefore i put not the slightest bit of blame on you nor your suggestions / opinions

reality check wrote:

devil666 wrote:8-) I want to prove we go on after death do you want to test me? Come on most people shy away when confronted with the truth about the supernatural. You must be the most hardened skeptic apart from your normal equipment. You will need one other item to see the dead. I will instruct you of this as you won't see them, you will have to monitor me as well. You must have credibility and give an honest report of your results good or bad and I will do it for free. Have a nice day

Believing in the "supernatural" says you have a pagan mind set, come out of the dark ages and into the light of the 21 century. Debating you would be the same as debating a block of stone, for no matter how much common sense and intelligent speaking I use, a block of stone is a block of stone. Have a nice day.

Hi just going back on. Old mail you are entitled to your own opinion i don't like advertising the fact but believe i am the best in the world at what i do and i don't profit from this. My perception is based on my real life encounters everything is true and happened. As for religious writings you must read between the lines. I am not saying they never happened. I have seen a blackness and a light and a lot of souls or electromagnetic energy {my term}still bound to this plain. I will debate this subject with you but you must keep an open mind and hear what i am saying. What would say if the universe is aware? And this is the true god, yet this creature needs appeasement and is twisted being both good and bad. That's all at this point. Look forward to your reply. All the best

devil666 wrote:

reality check wrote:

devil666 wrote:8-) I want to prove we go on after death do you want to test me? Come on most people shy away when confronted with the truth about the supernatural. You must be the most hardened skeptic apart from your normal equipment. You will need one other item to see the dead. I will instruct you of this as you won't see them, you will have to monitor me as well. You must have credibility and give an honest report of your results good or bad and I will do it for free. Have a nice day

Believing in the "supernatural" says you have a pagan mind set, come out of the dark ages and into the light of the 21 century. Debating you would be the same as debating a block of stone, for no matter how much common sense and intelligent speaking I use, a block of stone is a block of stone. Have a nice day.

Hi just going back on. Old mail you are entitled to your own opinion i don't like advertising the fact but believe i am the best in the world at what i do and i don't profit from this. My perception is based on my real life encounters everything is true and happened. As for religious writings you must read between the lines. I am not saying they never happened. I have seen a blackness and a light and a lot of souls or electromagnetic energy {my term}still bound to this plain. I will debate this subject with you but you must keep an open mind and hear what i am saying. What would say if the universe is aware? And this is the true god, yet this creature needs appeasement and is twisted being both good and bad. That's all at this point. Look forward to your reply. All the best

devil666 said it very well

We are non religious people having no single profit in this and at least i am mad on the fact that the vast majority of people think i'm crazy because they themselves have a wrong twisted view on things.

One of those misinterpretations is the concept soul.

They always associate the soul or anything beyond their grasp to something religious or even magical, well it's not.

Everything we classify as magic or paranormal are just things we haven't figured out yet, it's highly advanced science and we need to figure it out.

The supernatural does not exist. I'm sorry for the people who hoped magic and the supernatural exists cause it doesn't, I wish it did but helaas.

I thing it was the aztecs who drew it but i'm sure who. At least there was an ancient civilization who had drawn a map of the earth. This map doesn't just count for earth it counts for everything.

The map was as following:

Our world exists on three plains.

The middle one was a flat disc (earth/physical) 2d.

Underneath was a sweet water sea.
Surrounding it was a salt water sea (blood which moves in vertical motion reacting on the heart to continue its beating)3d.

Basically relying on a single force to empower everything. On top of it was a sky, a flat outer surface and round edges when approaching earths end 3d.

The reason why the asaka (physical) is only flat and 2d is because its by far the simplest and functions merely the complete the others and allow their actions to have effect. The physical is just a play/battle ground for the dominant force (magnetism) to manifest in a certain wave. This wave is what makes the physical touchable and all matter is a wavelength.
Just like radio sends out a audio signal this wave sends out a signal in the form of matter.

I like to call this wave the matter wave. It's adequate and it sounds cool.

We can change this matter wave to our benefit. Our body is little more than a receiver/transmitter device for the conscious to operate from. If we able ourselves to access the matrix creating all will mean you can change anything.

Take Stonehenge for example. The rocks maybe heavy and impossible to lift up on two others but...Who said the rocks are heavy. Just change the matrix and program the rock already sitting into place and tadaaa

There have been buildings that where built with rocks to heavy to lift even with our modern technologies. But it wasn't a problem for a civilization handling a bronze pick. Simply because they knew how to lift and move matter with their minds. Our soul is a part of the electromagnetic plain just like anyone else and anything else.

That's it I'm out. laterzzz

Life after death?

Sure there is, just meditate you will know there is 2 of you body and soul.

This world is shotty built! Made quick.
People with many problems and mental illnesses.
Would you want people like that in the heavens!! No!!
Shove them here!!

Has anyone taken up devil666 on (his?) offer?

Fool wrote:Has anyone taken up devil666 on (his?) offer?

Hi fool you may wonder why i posted this article. I just get so fed up with comments made by the media when they have not experienced the encounters i have and felt compelled to throw down the gauntlet to prove just whats out there and was hoping a scientist would take up the challenge. But so far no takers it seems. The only people i have convinced is the police my past and present employers. Who sometimes use me on site some members of the public and family /friends people are natural skeptics until i convince them otherwise. Take a simple thing like water divining most people say bull sh.T as i suspect you might. Yet it really works and not only can you find water but anything that deflects the magnetic field electric cables,pipes,gas etc can be found within 50mm. So when i find a skeptic i put the rods in there hands and teach them how it's done. What better proof? I am truly genuine and have nothing to gain. I am coming to the states next year on holiday. When i arrive i would love to give you all a demonstration not just on water dowsing. And hope to look fuzoid up as i would genuinely like to meet him. And one other thing of all my accounts happened to me first hand. The only thing shown to me that was out of my hands was the asteroid thing. I tried posting some of the details yet they were disallowed. I will post sections of what happened in my asteroid post and keep the nasty bits out. And yes i will sale my book for it's basic cost as it may soon be my only income. Hope to chat soon all the best.

Guest][quote="Fool wrote:Has anyone taken up devil666 on (his?) offer?

Hi fool this is devil 666 you may wonder why i posted this article. I just get so fed up with comments made by the media when they have not experienced the encounters i have and felt compelled to throw down the gauntlet to prove just whats out there and was hoping a scientist would take up the challenge. But so far no takers it seems. The only people i have convinced is the police my past and present employers. Who sometimes use me on site some members of the public and family /friends people are natural skeptics until i convince them otherwise. Take a simple thing like water divining most people say bull sh.T as i suspect you might. Yet it really works and not only can you find water but anything that deflects the magnetic field electric cables,pipes,gas etc can be found within 50mm. So when i find a skeptic i put the rods in there hands and teach them how it's done. What better proof? I am truly genuine and have nothing to gain. I am coming to the states next year on holiday. When i arrive i would love to give you all a demonstration not just on water dowsing. And hope to look fuzoid up as i would genuinely like to meet him. And one other thing of all my accounts happened to me first hand. The only thing shown to me that was out of my hands was the asteroid thing. I tried posting some of the details yet they were disallowed. I will post sections of what happened in my asteroid post and keep the nasty bits out. And yes i will sale my book for it's basic cost as it may soon be my only income. Hope to chat soon all the best. [/quote]