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#1. More than half of you : PLEASE!!!! Go educate yourself on galaxies, the solar system, space+time continueum. We are NOWHERE near the galactic centre of the milky way. Take 2 CD's. Take a spec of dust, 1/10000th of an inch from the outer edge, this is where we ( our solar system ) lies in our galaxy. In the history of humankind, we have NOT crossed the galactic centre. The Milky Way is almost 90 million light years across... that would equal around 45 million light years to go around half way right???? How long has Earth / the Sun been around??? A LOT less time than that.... get educated.

#2 There are over 100,000,000 ( one hundred million ) KNOWN, moving asteroids in our solar system. Not ONE is on a collision course with Earth until around 2032... THAT one we should see in the sky during day light hours as it WILL pass between us and the moon. But, the next time that one comes around will be around 2300 or so, giving us LOADS of time to figure out how to detract it / deflect it / destroy it / leave the planet. This one WILL hit us eventually.... It is NOT Niribu / Planet X. It's what is called a 'rouge asteroid' - one in which does not stay in a fixed, elliptical orbit.

All comets that cross our solar plane have been discovered and mathematically tracked through to the year 2500 A.D. Not one will ever pass closer than the moon.... e v e r.

In all actuality, the end of the world will be caused by us. It's in our nature to destroy ourselves. Look at what countries with money spend the most on : military ( except Canada of course, we have no money and no military so that works out perfect ). We ( humans in general ) are so fast to kill someone simply due to a difference of opinion ( hello religion ) and so quick to promote personal growth and gain. If we ALL don't survive... what's the point???

Sorry guest but there are some problems with this. Ill keep it short though.
1)The milky way is 100 000 lightyears across (perhaps a bit more) The Earth orbits 90 million miles from the sun. that may be your mix up.
2)The sun has been around for five billion years approx. That's more than one hundred times 45 million years. Our sun has circled the GC over a dozen times.
3) I find it hard to believe we are currently tracking 100 million asteroids. Could you tell me where you heard this?
4) Also, we do NOT know the paths of all the comets that approach the inner solar system.

So, you're telling others to get educated on a subject you obviously have very little knowledge about. Ironic huh?

The whole 2012 could just be one big distraction and maybe it isn't. The most sensible approach is to keep an open mind that it may be true, and keep up to date with new evidence etc. but don't get too distracted with it all if it is a distraction. Clearly, there are more pressing current problems to consider. If shareholders could be more responsible in demanding ethical action from their CEO's ahead of profit, that would even help.The only thing about a lot of these 'conspiracy theories' is that sometimes they seem to tie into each other. For example:

Scientific evidence uncovered that the Sagittarius galaxy is slowly being eaten up as it wraps around the Milky Way,
One of the highest quality productions on 2012 apocalypse theory detailed how our solar system oscillates up and down through the galactic plane of the Milky Way as it orbits around the galactic center. If this is true, you could think of the sun as bopping up and down above and below the galactic plane, and of course the normal behavior of any large body orbiting the milky way would be to 'orbit' it, in a normal circle like the earth orbiting our sun. It doesn't according to that production. It bops. The strange thing is that if the sun did come originally from the Sagittarius galaxy - the galaxy that is slowly being swallowed up by the Milky Way, as it orbits perpendicular to the galactic plane of the Milky Way - then this ties in with the bopping up and down. It's simple physics. Sagittarius orbits perpendicularly to the plane of the milky way i.e. right angle. So, imagine this other huge galaxy passing through the plane of the MW as it gets sucked in. Enormous devastation. Imagine our sun passed through this plane in the proximity of a much bigger star. It would gradually, over many passes, become part of MW, only it would have to bop up and down still as it would still have inertia from the old galaxy. It's principal attraction is the super-massive black hole at the center of the milky way now (whos' gravitational field is disc shaped it seems) so the sun would now move towards this attraction (the disc ) pass through it and then gradually move back to it again as it orbits. This would mean that the whole Milky Way is flattening out very gradually.

Or maybe the sun does come from the MW. Maybe what happened was a huge star from Sagittarius passed through our galactic neighborhood. Passing south to north through the MW's galactic plane close to the sun, it would pull the sun out of position and set it bopping up and down, as long as the nearest major gravitational influence after all this was the galactic plane.

So, all I'm saying is whatever way you look at it, the 'sagittarius galaxy influencing the solar system' theory DOES NOT contradict the theory that the solar system is passing through the galactic plane.
Further evidence is seen when you look at where the sun is in relation to Sagittarius. It's directly in line with it!
The exact region where Sagittarius passes through the MW is..you guessed it - the location of our solar system.
Too many things add up but it still all be coincidence.

Then there's the endless Religious connections. Nearly every religion is themed with a story of a great flood, and something resembling an Arc.Not just the Mayan culture, it's in many different cultures like Chinese etc. You can find it if you search for it. Is it true? It's healthy not to take anything too seriously so it doesn't matter too much to me.

Finally, I want to say that many of you seem to consider the materialistic implications of all this too much.
It's theorized that the black hole at the center of our milky way is literally trillions of miles in diameter.
Even if Einstein were here, he would not be able to say confidently what would happen for certain if our solar system did pass through the plane. Nobody 'really' knows! Some speculate that space time will be epically changed for a time, and the Earth will effectively pass in and out of a different dimension. The Russians call black holes frozen stars (and btw most of the honest science seems to come from there). Why frozen stars? Because the gravitational pull is so much that velocity at the event horizon is infinite (the point you cross through the plane/hole) and Einstein has shown that when velocity is infinite time stops! When time stops, everything looks ..frozen! hence frozen star

So by that reading you might be scared. 'Oh no, we're going to pass into a realm where space and time change. We're doomed' You don't know that. Nobody 'knows' that. It might be one of God's little secrets it keeps to him/her/it/someit self to make you pick a side honestly. In the end you won't be able to hide if this is true. You will have to confront your faith and what's wrong with that? You believe in a higher power, maybe you get a higher power in 2012. You don't...well you've seen the movie Event Horizon I presume. We live in a world where people in Africa live and die in the time you spend making a cup of tea. When I look around our world, I see marvelous complexity and beauty in everything. You can surmise all you like about what I believe. I believe in faith. We can pay more attention to the stars, your stars than on survival mechanisms for an apocalypse. If 2012 comes along and nothing except a spate of cult suicides occurs, is that an excuse to abandon faith? If something interesting happens like ascension then that's even better.

But don't waste your time seeing faith as 'covering your bases' to appease god if you meet him briefly in 2012'
Maybe NOTHING will happen in 2012, and would you use that as an excuse to have no faith. Maybe EVERYTHING will happen, Either way, the questions we really should be asking IMO are to ourselves. What do we believe in.
2012 is what we can make of it.

Even if the poles are going to change, this would happen over a period of time lasting longer than a century, and most likely it will last for five hundred to a thousand years. A sudden change in poles would rip the planet apart, what with all of the magnetic metals contained with in. The sudden reversal would send 10 of billions of tons of metals into a spin, like when you reverse a magnet, and it spins so that the same sides always are connected (N-S). Billions of tons would have enough force to move the entire planet out of orbit with the sun. If, as you said, the switching of the Magnetic poles is related to crossing a sort of "Galactic Equator" and it happens every 25 thousand or so years, and life is still around, then the switch would have to come slowly. Since we are still in orbit, and the Earth is 4.6 Billion years old (that is quite a few 25 thousand year rotations), then the drastic, lightning fast switching of the poles can't possibly happen, its logic, that is all.

Then there is the theory of passing through the Event Horizon of the super massive black hole that forms the center of the Milky Way. Evidence suggests a size of trillions of miles across, with a disk like gravity field. If we were to pass through the disk as we pass the "Galactic Equator" as mentioned before, then time might be "frozen" due to infinite velocity. However, this draws us back to the point of repetition. We have passed the galactic equator before, and since we are still here, which means that one of several things could have happened: we have passed into a different dimension, which is not something we could verify, because as far as our physics is concerned, there is no proof for Alternate Dimensions. Granted String theory predicts such phenomena, these are dimensions of 0D (Dot) 1D (line) 2D (Square) 3D (Cube) and 4D (Time), and would have no affect on alternate dimensions in the alternate universe sense, so physics doesn't agree with that. Everyone seems to make a fuss about Einstein, and what he can and can't do or predict. Face it, Albert Einstein, while a genius, wasn't actually that smart. He came up with the framework, and played around with his thought experiments, but the math behind his General and Special Theories of Relativity aren't his. Einstein himself was among the largest of the Physicists opposed to Quantum Theory, which is the Bible of most modern physics. Of course, QM doesn't actually pertain to Blackholes, or even work around them, so Einstein WAS the leading expert in blackhole physics. Regardless, I get off track. EVEN if we could prove that such a phenomena as traveling between dimensions is possible, we won't know until it happens, because the Animals during the last passing of the disk could not even comprehend the word FOOD!, never mind the advanced physics needed to supplement such a theory. The second thing that could have happened is something completely unscientific, but it could be that this whole thing some sort of mental state, and the people reading this are just figments of mine (authors) imagination, and don't actually exist. This is something that could happen to a human mind in Frozen Time. The third, of course, is that nothing is happening.

Which brings me along quite nicely to final point: Comets.If such a comet were to strike the Earth and kill ALL humans, despite our synthetic efforts to replicate the Suns heat and light. We are quite a bit smarter than dinosaurs, which were the last species to be wiped out by a comet (or asteroid, depending on who you ask). We have Electric heaters and LIGHT bulbs. We can CLONE plants. If we were to try and survive through a dust covered era of time, odds are, SOME of us would survive, if not most or even ALL. We are tracking nigh on thousands of Near Earth Objects, and none of them have been predicted to impact on the planet, though our models have been wrong for objects such as asteroids.

As for the Mayans, their calendar doesn't actually predict the end of the world, it just ends. They probably figured that they would be gone by then anyway, and if they were still around, they could keep on going later

what 2012 is really bringing us is lots of expenses on christmas gifts.stop being paranoid.the earths cycle around the sun along with our planetary system only showed me one thing...energy is never lost..the earth keeps going around the sun harmonically and will keep going at the same rate unless it is charged so much (with matter) that it wants to shift places away from the sun like atoms act..study the distance of planets from the sun and you will understand what im talking about.the less matter goes near the sun..the more matter away from the sun.earth steps away from the sun..lets say 1 metre a year because of the meteor matter been put on earth each day..more mass..more matter..more willing to get away from the sun.only thing that could let the earth change poles is if the sun ceased to exist..or if a planet/comet hit us

sounds like someone needs to read the HOLY BOOK (BIBLE) a little more. any real christian knows that GOD created this world no more than 6,000 years ago. Why would anybody even try to prophesy something like that. are you one of those false prophets God talks about that will bring the end of the world?

are you actually stupid enough to think this world was even standing 1 million years ago?

aw man reading the lines on this site has changed me a lot, just thinking about the world ending in 2012 december 21 is scary .. I remember my tutor telling me a few months ago about the world coming to an end but i was like 'whatever' but now it's really hitting me after reading all this .. Knowing there's NOTHING we can do to stop it from happening, i mean is EVERYONE gonna die

- all the way from new zealand !
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Regarding statements made in at least two of the previous posts, some clarifications are in order:

The galactic black hole is roughly 32 Million miles in diameter, no where near trillions of miles.
The Sun is nowhere near the event horizon of this black hole.

The Sun is Not going to cross the galactic plane in 2012 or any time soon. The Sun crossed about 3 million
years ago and is still rising. Won't cross again for about 30 million years.

The black hole does not have a disk like gravitational field. The black hole's gravity has virtually no effect
on the solar system.

The astronomers who were part of the team that discovered the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy interaction
with the Milky Way have stated on the University of Virginia astronomy department website that "the
Sun is now and has always been a part of the Milky Way Galaxy".
The myth (lie?) that the Sun is from the Dwarf Galaxy was started by a crackpotology website called
Viewzone Magazine and has been refuted by the scientists who made the discovery. Good enough?

The Sun does trace a sinusoidal path above and below the galactic plane. So do most of the stars in the galaxy. It is a very common phenomenon.

Quantum Mechanics certainly DOES pertain to black holes. Ever heard of Hawking Radiation?

The human mind being frozen in time? Unadulterated nonsense.

Guest wrote:are you actually stupid enough to think this world was even standing 1 million years ago?

Well I must be even stupider than that, because I know that the Earth existed 4.6 billion years ago.

Nah, we're not going to die until someone comes up with a convincing half-assed theory.