i have found a weird pattern, every 12 years, the theory of the end of the world is brought up, it dates back from, 1988, and goes through every 12 years, 2000, 2012, 2024, 2036, 2048, 2060...... its really freaking


there might be years in between where theory r made, but those years, seem have the biggest peak interest... bigger events, like in 2000 and everyone was freaking out about y2k and other stuff like that, now 2012 people r all leaning to the fact that the world might end..... either this is a cycle that humans have create, or something we can never understand

I think clearly the only way to sum all of this up, is to understand that humans have a great mind and a great imagination. If such truly big events like this, were to happen I think we would have more indication, and insight. As far as I can see it, it's the imagination of minds that create a picture or image, of the world ending. The imagination is a very powerful tool, it is the diamond on the ring, Without it the ring would look bear and boring. I really feel people think way too much about theories and not reality. Look at crime and violence, it's all come from greed. The Y2K bug, a political stunt that forced millions to believe that computers would all fail. The only way to live is to live in the now and take things one step at a time.

Oh my goodness you don't know how good this makes me feel. This just made my day. I was so scared, I'm still young and I have many goals so I'm glad I read this. Oh god thank you !

Uhm...

Just thought that I would point out...

The Mayan's NEVER PREDICTED the "end of the world"... they never said anything about an Asteroid, or some comet... they never said anything about any of this!

What they DID say, however, is this....

They predicted the end of the current ba`k`tun; which ends on 13.0.0.0.0 of their Long Count Calender; which means the current "cycle"... Everyone seems to think that this means, "oh, its the end! oh no!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar

But it is only the end of the current cycle, which is 144,000 days, or "k`ins" which is what the Mayans called "days"... or as the Book of Revelations puts it, 144,000 saved...

This means that what the Mayan's predicted was NOT the End of the World, but the beginning of a NEW Cycle. This is simple to understand. Everything, in space, moves... Gravity moves every thing.

The Moon moves around the Earth.
The Earth moves around the Sun.
The Sun moves around the Milky Way Galaxy.
The Milky Way Galaxy moves through space, it is on a collision course with the Andromeda Galaxy; which is being pulled towards the Milky Way at an average speed of about 140km per second. The collision event is set to occur maybe 3 to 4 billion years from now.

The fact that the sun is moving, or "traveling" around the Galaxy is imperative to understanding the Mayan prediction of ba`k`tun 13.0.0.0.0. As the sun moves, the planets are not simply revolving around the sun. when you look at a picture of our solar system you see the Sun with the planets following neat, perfect little circular orbits...

This is not true.

Think about it, the sun is moving.

The planets are not circling in an orbit... they are "spiraling"... Spiraling through space, as they follow the Sun on its travel around the Galactic Center, which is Sagittarius A* -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A* -- The super massive black hole in the center of our Galaxy; whose gravitational forces are holding the entire galaxy together in its "spiral" form... everything, is spiraling... even Time itself. Time does not travel in a circle because if it did then it would truly repeat itself. Common sense tells us that time is constantly moving forward, it is spiraling forward, as it follows the Earths spiral path around the Sun.

Now, based on the Sun's travel path and its poles; December 21, 2012 marks the point in space where the Sun passes its (estimated) 26,000 years journey around HALF of the Galaxy... in other words, at that point, everything we know in relation to the center of our Galaxy, reverses!

The Sun's alignment with the center, reverses, the Earth's axis in relation to the center, reverses.

This is simple. Take an apple or an orange, and drive a long nail through its center... this is the Earth and its Axis. Now line it up in relation to a larger ball; with the nail defining the "tilt" of the Earth's Axis. This ball, is the sun. Depending on which way the "tilt" is in relation to the sun, determines our seasons her on Earth.

Well the same thing in relation to the center of the galaxy. Our "tilt" in relation to the center of the Galaxy will be reversed. The southern hemisphere will become the Northern hemisphere, and so on.... The constellations in the sky in the northern hemisphere will become the dominate constellations in the southern hemisphere, and so on... because the sun will have passed through the center of the Galactic elliptic, the line in the night sky which the twelve zodiac constellations travel along through our sky. When the Sun crosses the center of this elliptic, its line of travel and that of the elliptic will essentially form a "Cross" in the sky. The suns magnetic axis will be perfectly aligned with that of Sagittarius A* for the first time in 26,000 years.

Also, our "spiraling" path chasing the Sun through the galaxy will also reverse, because the sun will have passed that "halfway" point in its transist around our Galaxy, and will then be traveling around to the other side of the Galaxy, a journey which will take it another 26,000 years to complete... thus ending yet another "cycle" or ba`k`tun, as the Mayan's called them, in another 26,000 years.

This is simple fact, it has happened, it WILL happen. Scientists, and Astronomers, around the world have been talking about it for years. The Sun WILL PASS through the Galactic Elliptic, and end its current journey on this side the Galaxy, and thus begin its NEW journey around the other side of the Galaxy...

Anyway. The point here is...

The world, is not going to end.. there is no fiery explosion of the Earth blowing up; the Sun is not going to go supernova...

It means that Civilization as we know it, is going to experience a "rebirth" or reawakening... or a sudden "Revelation"..., or as the ancient Greek word for it would be, an "Apocalypse".

We may have an increase of severe natural disasters as our solar system passes through this major transitional change and destabilizes itself in relation to the Sun's new orientation to the Galactic Center, yes this is true. We have t oonly open our eyes right now to see that this is coming to pass as we get closer to this point... Earthquakes are getting worse, Hurricanes are getting worse...

Yes it is also true that this "realignment" with the Galactic Center might, possibly result in a magnetic pole shift. This, is no big deal, as it has happened countless times in the past several thousand years. It does not mean that the earth is suddenly going to "physically flip upside down"... if it did that then every living being on the planet would be instantly flung out into space.

But the magnetic poles reversing is a much more common occurrence then most people realize. In fact, Magnetic North as we speak, right now is moving from Canada, towards Siberia, and each year its rate of movement is increasing. The movement of magnetic north partly accounts for the Earths "wobble" on its axis.

To have a magnetic reversal in our current day and age? It would reverse compasses and possibly reverse the electrons and neutrons in every electric circuit... hence making them all useless.

This is also where people are coming up with the whole "end of the world" scenario. As most simply can not fathom the concept of living without their perfect world of electronic conveniences, and without this world of such conveniences, yes... things would essentially be thrown back into the dark ages.

God forbid... humanity would actually have to learn to work, again... for a living. We would have to learn how to survive, again... in a world without modern technology.

Sadly however, if this were true and does happen, then the vast majority out there would not know how to survive such a change, if it were to occur and many would thus, begin to die off because the modern nations of today, the United States, for example, is simply not equipped to support its current population without the support of modern technology... this is one of the Governments biggest fears regarding the possibly of what they call an EMP detonation over our nation. The detonation of a nuclear device high up in the sky, creating a massive Electro Magnetic Pulse, which renders every electronic device in that region, completely useless...

it is possible the same scenario could be played out, regarding a Magnetic Pole Reversal in our current day and age...

It is not PROVEN, it is only theoretical.

Will this "end of technology" actually take place? That, is something that the Mayan's did not predict, could not predict... and at present no one knows for sure. Why? Because the last time this happened was 26,000 years ago, and no human being back then, no one had a computer, cellphone, PDA, nor an automobile... and the last time the magnetic poles reversed was thousands of years ago, still long before any of these things were invented. The last magnetic reverse had no effect on how a man threw his spear at his prey, to gather his meat...

So really we do not know, what effects such a magnetic pole reversal were to cause in our current day and age. We can only guess.

What we do know for sure, is that our "spiral chase" of the sun as it speeds around the Galaxy, is going to reverse its orientation with that of the center of the galaxy.

Basically, bottom line here... is that the ancient Mayans were capable of calculating the passage of the days, months, years and time itself and the passage of the Sun and Earth through the galaxy, using a far more advanced mathematical system then that which we use today. They even correctly identified the five visible planets; and had knowledge that the Orion Nebulae was a fuzzy spot and not a star and they are the ONLY ancient civilization to correctly identify that the Orion Nebulae is not a star .. this, a feat they accomplished thousands of years before the first telescope was ever invented... so how dare we, question their mathematics and astronomy...

Hey man, I enjoyed reading your article about the scum sucking doomsayers that take advantage of of people by tricking them into buying there book,t-shirts,etc.

But there is something that's very interesting about the Mayan calender & 2012 is that i didn't believe the world would come to an end. But i also couldn't be naive to think that nothing would happen due to the fact that the Mayan calender has never errored. Also, how did they know about precession & the galactic alignment whether or not it happens, i don't doubt what you say. In fact, what you do say is pretty much on par with the truth, that it's all bulls**t. But i guess there's always that little bit in the back of peoples heads thinking what if it is true? I'm sure there's some people that would agree with me.

Sorry I didn't really have time to read all that...
I just read the parts about how the planets are really 'spiralling'. What you are missing is that, relatively speaking, the planets are moving around our sun in nearly circular orbits. If you're going to talk about (absolute movement?), then you may as well talk about how we are moving away from most other galaxies due to the expansion of the universe... We are moving very fast, but it does not matter. It does not make a difference so long as everything else around us is also moving at the same speed and in the same direction.

It would reverse compasses and possibly reverse the electrons and neutrons in every electric circuit

Reading on a bit, that was a bit of a hint to me that you don't know what you're talking about. Hell, I don't know what I'm talking about that much, and I can still tell.

To Fool:

This person's statement about circuit reversal is just one of many science errors in this post. He says that the black hole at the galactic center holds the entire galaxy together. It certainly does not. The black hole mass has been determined to be
somewhere between 3.2 million and 4.1 million solar masses. Latest data favors the latter figure. However, the total mass
of the Milky Way galaxy has been calculated at 750 BILLION solar masses. The black hole gravity well has very little effect
overall on the entire galaxy and certainly does NOT hold it together.

Then he somehow entangles polar precession with galactic rotation. 26,000 years is one polar precession period. It has
nothing to do with the rotation time of the galaxy, which is roughly 250 million years for one rotation.

Then he goes on to the nail in the apple and how the earth is somehow going to reverse poles. I could not determine what
he was trying to illustrate. It made no sense. Then there is the stuff about the earth's magnetic pole and the galactic center,
spiraling time, "tilt" reversal and the galactic center, the sun crossing the galactic ecliptic.

This seems to be a poor attempt to resolve the Mayan-2012 thing in a science framework. Problem is, the science is

W R O N G.

I never stated anything about Circuit Reverse happening as an "absolute" fact.

I used the word "possibly" .. which means it may, or may not happen, which implies that I myself do not even know this part for sure and could be wrong.

Try studying your English Grammar before criticizing next time.

Problem is, the Science is...

A C C U R A T E

However, you as only a mere, human being, are not capable of comprehending such complexities of the Universe properly. The Sun IS traveling, through space, our circular orbits ARE therefore a circular spiral, following the Sun. If they were just plain, circular, and nothing more, then this would imply that the Sun is standing still and not doing a thing.

As for us, the Galaxy, moving away from everything. Try studying your facts, the Milky Way is in fact moving towards Andromeda, and not away from it.

Yes the theoretical Black Hole in the center of the Milky Way is, theoretically, holding the Galaxy together and responsible for its "spiral" effect; as it is the nature of our Galaxy and everything within it, to "spiral"... Everything within the Milky Way is, over the period of billions of years, spirally towards the center; which is why the majority of some of the larger, older stars are packed more closer in that area of the Galaxy.

As for Magnetic Pole Reversal... people seem to have this mixed up with Geological Polar Shift. There is a different concept, which involves a physical alteration of the Earths poles by the Earth physically altering its rotation. The Earths rotation is not effect in a Magnetic Reversal; and as I already stated, human beings simply do not know, for sure, what will happen during a magnetic Reversal because though many have happened through out the Earth's ancient past, none have ever occurred during a period when Human Beings could observe one, record its effects, or study it with instrumentation.

Fact is, the alignment with the Galactic Elliptic is a proven event, and it will take place.

No one knows, what, if anything, will happen.

Nyarlathotep wrote:However, you as only a mere, human being, are not capable of comprehending such complexities of the Universe properly.

Are we to assume from your statement that you are no mere human? Are you saying no one is capable of comprehending the Newtonian physics of our universe (which is what you are attempting to describe)? I wonder how you would fare with quantum physics?

The Sun IS traveling, through space, our circular orbits ARE therefore a circular spiral, following the Sun. If they were just plain, circular, and nothing more, then this would imply that the Sun is standing still and not doing a thing.

Yes, the sun is traveling through space. The entire galaxy is! And while I understand the point you are trying to make, you are wrong. The orbits of the planets are circular, not spiral.

Yes the theoretical Black Hole in the center of the Milky Way is, theoretically, holding the Galaxy together and responsible for its "spiral" effect; as it is the nature of our Galaxy and everything within it, to "spiral"... Everything within the Milky Way is, over the period of billions of years, spirally towards the center; which is why the majority of some of the larger, older stars are packed more closer in that area of the Galaxy.

There is nothing theoretical about the black hole at the center of the Milky Way. It is exists and is known as a super massive black hole. And no, the black hole is not "theoretically" holding the Milky Way together. Either it does or doesn't, there is no in between. And the answer is..... IT IS NOT holding the galaxy together. In fact, at the rate of rotation of the Milky Way, it has been determined there is not enough mass in our entire galaxy to keep it from flying apart. This is why it is believed there is a halo of dark matter surrounding the Milky Way preventing it from flying apart. As large as the black hole is in the center of our galaxy, it is not large or massive enough to hold the Milky Way together.

I'm not sure what you mean by everything in our galaxy is spiraling? Spiraling orbits were first proposed long before anyone knew the sun was at the center of our solar system. Spiraling orbits accurately predicted the planets and sun' orbit providing the earth was at the center of our solar system. It's not! Therefore the orbits do not spiral.

And no, everything is NOT spiraling towards the center of the Milky Way. If anything, our galaxy should be flinging stars and planets into interstellar space! But as mentioned, it is dark matter that is holding our galaxy together. BTW, time does not spiral either. And the form of our galaxy, known as a pinwheel, got its shape from its rotation, not a black hole.

BTW, you shouldn't attack another's grammar if you understand the point they're trying to make. Otherwise your spelling is fair game. And I would rather not get that petty.

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Well, lets start with some real facts. The plane of the galaxy intersects the plane of the solar system at about 60 degrees. We are not positioned parallel to the galactic plane. The Solar System is tilted 60
degrees. So, if anything, the earth is scribing a corkscrew motion, not a spiral. So what.

To add insult to injury, the distance of the Sun from the galactic plane is 20.5 +/- 3.5 parsecs ABOVE the
the plane (roughly 70 light-years). The ecliptic contains the orbits of the earth and planets as they
travel about the Sun. As I said, the ecliptic is tilted 60 degrees to the galactic plane. I don't see what
kind of alignment you are proposing.

At no time did I say the Galaxy was moving away from everything, and yes, the Milky Way and Andromeda are gravitationally attracted. Not unusual for adjacent galaxies to collide. Have to wait a few billion years
though.


I'll say it again. There is absolutely no evidence to support the claim that the black hole at the galactic
center is holding the galaxy together or that the galaxy is spiraling inward toward it. None.

You last statement "the alignment with the Galactic Elliptic is a proven fact" is impossible to rebut
because I don't know what a "Galactic Elliptic" is.

By the way, as a mere human being I comprehend the complexities of the Universe very properly, thank you.