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The Fall Of The Republic, geez is that all? I am working on the complete military defeat of the USA and it's not pretty!

My God! You Republicans really, I mean really, hate Obama. If your hate was not so frightening it would be laughable.............. er, hold on........

I'd just like to let you know that this side of the Atlantic (Europe) thinks all this anti Obama rhetoric IS hilarious. In fact, me and some friends regularly tune in to Fox News and count the seconds before Obama and the Democrats are maligned. The winner is the one closest to the second and gets a chocolate biscuit reward. The loser has to go to the shop (store) to buy the biscuits.

In the meantime, please produce real, tangible facts and not gloss over the harsh realities of the last Republican presidency that alienated the entire world.

I hear cries for Isolationism are growing louder in America. Please, please, if the Republicans ever get back to power, please adopt Isolationism.................. We (the rest of the world) will be eternally grateful.

You may have a point regarding isolationism. Maybe we should have been isolationists at the beginning of World War II. Maybe we should have told the Nazis that the US didn't give a damn what they did in Europe, but if they attacked us we would kick their asses.

Maybe we should have told the Soviet Union that we really didn't care what they did in Europe but they had better leave us alone. Or else.

I don't remember hearing many complaints from Europe when we were fighting the Nazis or when all of Europe was hiding under America's nuclear umbrella.

Why should Americans care if we have a president that alienates the rest of the world? An American president's first responsibility is to keep America safe, not to make you people like us. Most of us really do not care what you think of us.

Those of us who are unhappy with the present Administration do no want to live under a centralized Socialist government. Some of us kinda like what few freedoms we have left.

Maybe the question should be asked, what has Europe ever done for us?

Everywhere in the world has done things for each other - although sometimes we may not realise it.

I think if you hadn't intervened in WW2 and the nazis really did take over the whole of Europe (would the USSR have collapsed without US aid? Debatable, but lets assume that they would have) and Russia, you wouldn't have just been able to ignore it. The Cold War was something you could win, sure, but a cold war vs. Europe and Russia - and probably the rest of Asia as well? I don't think you could have pulled that off.

do not want to live under a centralized Socialist government.

I still don't get this. What makes you think Obama is a socialist? Look at what he has nationalized compared to the entire economy. Why hasn't he nationalized all the banks, introduced common land, nationalized agriculture, abolished inheritance? It may be just me, but I think it has something to do with him not really being a socialist.

As for isolationism in the cold war, I think there were actually quite a few people complaining about what you were doing then. And don't forget that Europe had and has quite a few nuclear weapons as well. Both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. had a lot more, but the amounts there just seem like overkill to me.

You are, of course referring to an America that took its responsibilities for its actions very seriously. Unlike the Bush years when they took no responsibility for the chaos they created by pandering to Corporate America.

Isn't that the thrust of the video?

Pre Bush no-one in the west had any bad feeling towards America. Bush crassly changed all that. We need to get back to 1900s America that was immensely respected throughout the world. Obama's election was the first step in getting the respect America justly deserves. But to listen to the political fringe, I fear a return to Corporate Bushism under a different flag.

As far as I can tell, the video rails against the very people Bush elevated. So the only point I have left is why tag the video to Obama's presidency. When it was Bush's presidency that brought everything into full focus.

I suppose we have to thank him for that.

In closing, why, when someone criticizes America is the specious argument about the 2nd world war and the Soviet Union brought into the mix.

Firstly, had Britain folded in 1939 like the rest of Europe, America wouldn't have got involved in a European war.

Secondly, up to one half of the people who were killed trying to defeat Hitler were Russian. You can despise Soviet style politics (as I do) but you cannot deny the significant role they played in defeating Hitler.

Plus many, many more Brits died in the 2nd world war than Americans. But that is all by the by and not at issue. We should all celebrate the alliance the whole world joined in the 2nd world war. By singling out a solitary country for praise is misrepresenting history. It's paranoid. I can only think the Bush years have made you react in that way. And remember this one fact: when push comes to shove, who is the first nation that always stand shoulder to shoulder with America? Britain. Always and forever. Never lose sight of that.

But please prevent the neo-conservatives from getting too tight a hold on American foreign policy.

engineerretired wrote:You may have a point regarding isolationism. Maybe we should have been isolationists at the beginning of World War II. Maybe we should have told the Nazis that the US didn't give a damn what they did in Europe, but if they attacked us we would kick their asses.

Maybe we should have told the Soviet Union that we really didn't care what they did in Europe but they had better leave us alone. Or else.

I don't remember hearing many complaints from Europe when we were fighting the Nazis or when all of Europe was hiding under America's nuclear umbrella.

Why should Americans care if we have a president that alienates the rest of the world? An American president's first responsibility is to keep America safe, not to make you people like us. Most of us really do not care what you think of us.

Those of us who are unhappy with the present Administration do no want to live under a centralized Socialist government. Some of us kinda like what few freedoms we have left.

Maybe the question should be asked, what has Europe ever done for us?

Why do some Americans think that they are better than the rest of the world?
Sure, you didn't have to help out at the end of WWII. But then, my country didn't have to defend Poland. But we did, we stopped the tyranny, and I am proud to call myself British today. There is this horrible, racist attitude I occasionally hear from Americans (not all Americans, just a few) that human lives only matter if they are American lives, and the rest of the world can go to hell. Is there really such a huge difference between us that you should hide yourselves away, refusing to offer your help to countries who desperately need it? Does it really matter whether or not they have helped America in the past? I'm sorry, but saying 'we won't help you because you've never done anything for us' is a ridiculous, immature argument, and is what led to some of the worst incidents of the last 100 years.

Oh, now I get it. Obama is not a Socialist because he didn't nationalize the whole economy. Is that
like being a little bit pregnant?

I made reference to WWII and the Soviets in response to the silly remark made by the biscuit eating Guest.
Seems like the people screaming the loudest for isolationism are the labor unions.

I did not watch the video and probably will not. I was not a huge Bush fan, I am no fan of the Obama
Administration. Given enough time they will install a Socialist government.

Yes, the UK has always stood by us and we are grateful for that.

Corporate Bushism, political fringe (conservatives?), neo-conservatives. Maybe so. But there many of
us who do not want a collectivist government. If you do, that is fine with me.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent
virtue is the equal sharing of misery" - Sir Winston Churchill

engineerretired

engineerretired wrote:You may have a point regarding isolationism. Maybe we should have been isolationists at the beginning of World War II.

We were, for the most part. It took a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and a formal declaration of war from Germany to finally drag the US into WWII.

Maybe we should have told the Nazis that the US didn't give a damn what they did in Europe, but if they attacked us we would kick their asses.

It wouldn't have worked. Japan saw to that one. And since they were in cahoots with Germany, Germany declared war on the US to support their Axis friends.

Maybe we should have told the Soviet Union that we really didn't care what they did in Europe but they had better leave us alone. Or else.

It wouldn't have worked. Europe has more than enough nuclear weapons to act as a deterrent. We, on the other hand, have an overkill of nucs, as Fool has accurately noted. Do you honestly believe 100 warheads would be any more of a deterrent than 10? Note: Not actual numbers, they are much higher. I just pulled them out of the air to make a point.

I don't remember hearing many complaints from Europe when we were fighting the Nazis or when all of Europe was hiding under America's nuclear umbrella.

It took a combined force to take out the Nazis. America doesn't deserve all the credit for this. But it is a valid point. And as Fool has pointed out, Europe has enough of their own nucs. They never really needed our deterrent to act as an umbrella. But it did help since an attack on one NATO country was an attack on all.

Why should Americans care if we have a president that alienates the rest of the world?

I'm a US born and bred true blue American and I do not want a president that alienates the rest of the world. Maybe if this were the year 1100, you might have a point (yeah, I know, the US didn't exist then). But not in this modern day of globalization where we all rely on each other for goods and services.

An American president's first responsibility is to keep America safe, not to make you people like us. Most of us really do not care what you think of us.

While you are correct that the president's first responsibility is for the safety of the US and its citizens, you are speaking for yourself when it comes to not caring what the rest of the world thinks. Even Bush, the go it alone president cared. Had he not cared we would be in Iran right now. The fact is, most American's care what the rest of the world thinks about the US.

Those of us who are unhappy with the present Administration do no want to live under a centralized Socialist government.

Explain how Obama is turning America into a socialist state. Because I don't see it. Are you talking about the corporate bailouts? If so, I have no problem with the federal government taking part ownership in corporations that had their hand out. Especially when it comes to dictating a non/under performing CEO's salary! Or do you believe corporations have the right to a hand out while conducting business as usual? I do not understand how the Republicans can object to the federal government taking part ownership of a company that just received billions in tax dollars! Besides, once the debt is paid off, they are free to go back to their unjust and greedy ways.

Some of us kinda like what few freedoms we have left.

Oh? Sort of like the freedoms that were taken away under the Bush administration? Can you explain the Patriot Act to everyone?

Maybe the question should be asked, what has Europe ever done for us?

Provided the population for a new and up and coming nation.... the USA! I'm curious, engineerretired, what's your ancestry?

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Oh, now I get it. Obama is not a Socialist because he didn't nationalize the whole economy. Is that
like being a little bit pregnant?

That and other sentences prove beyond any shadow of doubt that you have absolutely no idea what socialism is.

Helping people in need is not socialism.

Though I understand that some people abuse the help they get (in Britain especially), I cannot understand why Republicans find helping their less fortunate compatriots an act of socialism?

Baffling..........