Guest wrote:Oh, now I get it. Obama is not a Socialist because he didn't nationalize the whole economy. Is that
like being a little bit pregnant?

Isn't that a little like comparing apples to oranges? I asked you for examples of Obama Socializing America. I'm still waiting. BTW, part ownership in the companies engaging in corporate welfare is a far cry from socialism. It's a way to guarantee the tax payers get something for their money. What would you call a bank foreclosing on your property for failure to pay your mortgage? Socialism?

I made reference to WWII and the Soviets in response to the silly remark made by the biscuit eating Guest.

Why do you find it necessary to insult another just because of their nationality?

Seems like the people screaming the loudest for isolationism are the labor unions.

Uh, no, they're not. They're screaming for protectionism and fair trade with China. Isolationism is a quite a bit different.

I did not watch the video and probably will not. I was not a huge Bush fan, I am no fan of the Obama
Administration. Given enough time they will install a Socialist government.

I'm glad to know you were no fan of Bush, because he was, and is, an idiot. And as far as I'm concerned, a war criminal too. But Obama hasn't been in office long enough for you to make such a claim. And this is still the USA, with a government by the people and for the people. If Obama was taking this nation in a socialist direction, he wouldn't last long as president. He would be impeached! Anyway, I see nothing wrong with a little bit of socialism. Welfare programs, for example, that help others dig themselves out of poverty or to be able to provide for their family. And before you object, I'm not talking about a free hand out. Welfare recipients should be required to earn their welfare check, the same as you and I working at a job.

Yes, the UK has always stood by us and we are grateful for that.

Hey, don't forget Australia! And France too! Especially when we needed them most! I would say that more than qualifies as Europe helping the USA, a budding nation. Without their help we would probably living in the United States of Canada. Not that this would be a bad thing. I only mention it to make a point.

Corporate Bushism, political fringe (conservatives?), neo-conservatives. Maybe so. But there many of
us who do not want a collectivist government. If you do, that is fine with me.

I ask again, how is taking part ownership in a company who received corporate welfare a collectivist government? Many of the businesses that did receive a hand out have already paid back their debt and are no longer under the thumb of the federal government. Is that socialism?

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent
virtue is the equal sharing of misery" - Sir Winston Churchill

engineerretired

Oh, really? I grew up on welfare. I wore second hand clothes and ate government surplus food. There were many nights I went to bed hungry. I never saw the rest of America sharing in my misery. As for socialism (welfare) being a failure, I am now a successful member of middle class America and I have no objections to giving back. I pay my fair share and am glad to do it if it means others will have the same chance I did. It's called being an empathetic human who believes all, regardless their situation, deserve the same rights that everyone else has.

BTW, America's (and Europe's) success was built on the misery of others. As a capitalist (which I am too), do you believe it's right to exploit the natural resources of those who benefit nothing from it? Not that I'm implying anything, I'm just curious.

Peace!

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Obama just doesn't behave like a socialist in my eyes. Hell, he didn't even really try and pass a nationalized health care plan, and that's something that would be a heck of a lot easier than nationalizing anything else, as virtually everywhere has done it already.

More to the point, I don't think Obama could introduce socialism. The American public is just too opposed to it.

Well, you all have convinced me:

Obama is no Socialist. He is a Moderate. Maybe he leans a little to the left, but is a good thing.

Everyone in Obama's administration is a moderate. When one of his czars stated that he was a Marxist he was just
pandering to the left.

Bush is the cause of everything bad that has ever happened.

After 9/11 we should have apologized to the Islamic extremists for forcing then to do that.

Bush is the cause of everything bad that has ever happened.

We don't help the poor enough. A little more socialism would be a good thing.

The takeover of some banks and auto manufacturers just happened.

Bush is the cause of everything bad that has ever happened.

Spending trillions of dollars that we do not have is no so bad. National bankruptcy is a good thing.

Besides, George Bush caused it anyway.

There is no such thing as a left wing in the Democrat Party. It's a lie.

If you openly disagree with Obama's policies, you are a racist.

Bush is the cause of everything that has ever happened.

European governments are wonderful, Don't criticize them. If you do you are a racist.

The US was an evil country. Now it is only kinda evil, but Obama is going to fix that.

The Obama administration is NOT attempting to establish government control of health care. Right wing lie.

We should have gun control like they do in Europe. Europe does everything right. We do everything wrong. We
don't help poor people enough. We're bad. Bush did it.

Iran would be our friend if only we would be nice to them.

You see. Now I am one of you.

I have to go now. I've been shooting rounds of skeet, practicing for a tournament at my gun club. First prize is
a Perazzi shotgun valued at $23,500.00. If I win I'm going to auction it off and donate the money to ACORN.

engineerretired

Fool wrote:Obama just doesn't behave like a socialist in my eyes. Hell, he didn't even really try and pass a nationalized health care plan, and that's something that would be a heck of a lot easier than nationalizing anything else, as virtually everywhere has done it already.

More to the point, I don't think Obama could introduce socialism. The American public is just too opposed to it.

I believe we should have new rules on government. Throw the bloody lot out and start again. No more house of lords and all the hangers on a government of a select few of high morals and discipline, not the greedy corrupt sh*t we have. They should all be investigated and charged and be subject to the same laws they impose on us. Someone needs to stand now, all they can do is vote the bnp to show how fed up they are. We need a new world order

Fool wrote:Obama just doesn't behave like a socialist in my eyes. Hell, he didn't even really try and pass a nationalized health care plan, and that's something that would be a heck of a lot easier than nationalizing anything else, as virtually everywhere has done it already.

More to the point, I don't think Obama could introduce socialism. The American public is just too opposed to it.

Yeah,I'm a firm proponent of the notion that if you control the belief of the people, then that determines what is accepted as knowledge by the people . BELIEF . Control the beliefs.....and... you get me.

I'm not an "Obamahead", personally I dislike both the democrats and republicans(lowercase on purpose), and I'll go further to say that I think the two party system, or any delineation of our people into groups or "parties" just serves to divide us. I think a candidate for any office should be elected on the merits of what they have to offer and the affiliation with a political idealism is the worst way to make a decision about who is taking up the reins of leadership.Each time (dems, repubs, etc...) are elected in either individual capacity or by majority, whether it be at the local, state, or national level, it automatically means there is another "group" that isn't represented(or at the very least feels slighted)...When you look at party lines and religious beliefs and you blend that all together, from my point of opinion and reason , everyone is just fooling them selves to think any person or party or religion(because it's always tied) represents them because of those*NAMES* we give.You put 100 republicans in a room and each of them has a different opinion of what a republican is,and when each of those 100 share their views then for every opinion given there are similarities, but at the end of it all you have 1000 different ideas of what a 'republican" is.It's the same with democrats, libertarians, baptist, methodist , protestant, catholic, etc..(over 30,000 ideas of a christian god or"denominations" across the world, for example, each individual with a notion of what "god" is.)

But if you ask anyone what an American is...just about all of us, could stand in a stadium of 100,000 and hold out an arm and turn in a circle pointing to everyone, and without needing to hear anyones opinion, ideology, religion and so forth....and say.. "they are Americans"....

Anyway, what I originally set out to say, is that I find it fascinating that a President(any president), after less than a year of being elected to office is suddenly imagined to be ..let's see...the entire and sole reason for our countries economic crisis(something years in the making), the bringer of "socialism"(the way humans evolved ,essentially, until the last 200 years or so, and what do people think the principle of our roads , education, police and even the military operate under?), the "antichrist" ( a notion that's so ridiculous I'll just leave it at that)...etc...name the "belief" and you've got supporters.I really don't think people are THINKING when we buy into half the stuff we do, a label is thrown and if it fit's a group or individuals perception of good/evil/black/white etc...we jump on it because we've been told what the definition represents, now all one has to is shout out that particular definitions name(insert term) and you've got instant support...or damnation.

Adjective, American: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people or language or culture.

That's what I am.

Noun, American: 1.A native or inhabitant of the United States.

That's me too.

Sure, that's just another definition, but look how simple it is.

American.

That's all of us.

One day maybe we can all agree we're humans.(that world thing)

engineerretired wrote:Well, you all have convinced me:

Obama is no Socialist. He is a Moderate. Maybe he leans a little to the left, but is a good thing.

Everyone in Obama's administration is a moderate. When one of his czars stated that he was a Marxist he was just
pandering to the left.

Bush is the cause of everything bad that has ever happened.

After 9/11 we should have apologized to the Islamic extremists for forcing then to do that.

Bush is the cause of everything bad that has ever happened.

We don't help the poor enough. A little more socialism would be a good thing.

The takeover of some banks and auto manufacturers just happened.

Bush is the cause of everything bad that has ever happened.

Spending trillions of dollars that we do not have is no so bad. National bankruptcy is a good thing.

Besides, George Bush caused it anyway.

There is no such thing as a left wing in the Democrat Party. It's a lie.

If you openly disagree with Obama's policies, you are a racist.

Bush is the cause of everything that has ever happened.

European governments are wonderful, Don't criticize them. If you do you are a racist.

The US was an evil country. Now it is only kinda evil, but Obama is going to fix that.

The Obama administration is NOT attempting to establish government control of health care. Right wing lie.

We should have gun control like they do in Europe. Europe does everything right. We do everything wrong. We
don't help poor people enough. We're bad. Bush did it.

Iran would be our friend if only we would be nice to them.

You see. Now I am one of you.

I have to go now. I've been shooting rounds of skeet, practicing for a tournament at my gun club. First prize is
a Perazzi shotgun valued at $23,500.00. If I win I'm going to auction it off and donate the money to ACORN.

engineerretired

This should be in Paranoia 101 in every psychology college in the world.

Fascinating.

engineerretired wrote:Well, you all have convinced me:

Then my job is done. Only kidding.

Obama is no Socialist. He is a Moderate. Maybe he leans a little to the left, but is a good thing.

I know you truly don't believe this. But I believe you hit it right on the head.

Everyone in Obama's administration is a moderate. When one of his czars stated that he was a Marxist he was just
pandering to the left.

Who stated they were a Marxist? Or were they calling Obama a Marxist?

Bush is the cause of everything bad that has ever happened.

I don't believe anyone made this claim.

After 9/11 we should have apologized to the Islamic extremists for forcing then to do that.

No one made this claim either. In fact, no one even mentioned 9/11! Why do you bring this up?

Bush is the cause of everything bad that has ever happened.

If you keep repeating this, you're going to convince me! <grin>

We don't help the poor enough. A little more socialism would be a good thing.

No, we don't. And if you're referring to socialized health care, I'm all for it.

The takeover of some banks and auto manufacturers just happened.

It was either that or let them fail. And there were far too many jobs at stake to allow that to happen. So, if they expect a little corporate welfare, then I want some guarantee for my tax dollars. And that's a bad thing?

Bush is the cause of everything bad that has ever happened.

Okay, you convinced me.

Spending trillions of dollars that we do not have is no so bad. National bankruptcy is a good thing.

Besides, George Bush caused it anyway.

I have to keep these two points together because they are related. How? In a manner of speaking, you're right, Bush caused part of it. According to the Washington Post, as of March 2008, the war in Iraq cost the USA 3 trillion dollars. An illegal war, a war that never should have happened. That's 3 trillion dollars that could have gone to some of the Obama programs. Actually, it is more since we are 1-1/2 years beyond the date of this article. Since Bush already put the USA on the path towards bankruptcy (he squandered a huge surplus that Clinton left for him), how could Obama avoid digging the hole deeper? Or do you believe he should not have spent anything?

There is no such thing as a left wing in the Democrat Party. It's a lie.

Being left wing is a bad thing? Well, damn, why didn't someone tell me earlier? I'm too committed to being an empathetic liberal to back out now.

If you openly disagree with Obama's policies, you are a racist.

Who accused you of racism?

Bush is the cause of everything that has ever happened.

I'm already convinced. So it's not necessary to continue repeating it.

European governments are wonderful, Don't criticize them. If you do you are a racist.

No one ever made such a claim.

The US was an evil country. Now it is only kinda evil, but Obama is going to fix that.

No one ever made such a claim.

The Obama administration is NOT attempting to establish government control of health care. Right wing lie.

No, the right wing misrepresented what Obama is trying to do. Yes, he is trying to establish a health plan, and rightfully so. But contrary to what the right wing tells you, he is not going to abolish private health insurance and everyone is not required to sign on to the government plan. It's simply a way to give those who can't afford private insurance access to affordable insurance. Would you prefer the status quo? The status quo states it is illegal for a hospital emergency room to turn away a patient regardless their ability to pay. So, since they have no insurance and know they're not going to be turned away from an emergency room, they drive up everyone else's health cost because the status quo leaves them no other option! Or do you think they should just curl up in the gutter and die?

We should have gun control like they do in Europe.

Why?

Europe does everything right. We do everything wrong.

No one ever made such a claim.

We don't help poor people enough.

Correct.

We're bad.

No one ever made such a claim.

Bush did it.

You already convinced me.

Iran would be our friend if only we would be nice to them.

No one ever made such a claim.

You see. Now I am one of you.

What took you so long?

I have to go now. I've been shooting rounds of skeet, practicing for a tournament at my gun club. First prize is
a Perazzi shotgun valued at $23,500.00. If I win I'm going to auction it off and donate the money to ACORN.

engineerretired

You would be better off giving it to a soup kitchen or food bank. ACORN is corrupt and a bunch of thieves.

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I realized that after I responded to the bisquit muncher's rather snide, condescending remarks about Republicans that I probably opened the proverbial can of worms based on the response I got in a previous thread. So I laid out a little bait in order to see who would take it. I was fairly sure who it would be.

I knew that once I mentioned socialism and President Obama in the same sentence it would really hit the fan. I got what I expected and from whom I expected it.

So I think I should apologize. I am not nearly as right wing as I let on, but I couldn't resist. Chain yanking is amusing, but this is not the place for it.

So, for punishment I am going to ban myself for a few days.

I must go. the little clay birds are calling.

engineerretired

Guest wrote:My God! You Republicans really, I mean really, hate Obama. If your hate was not so frightening it would be laughable.............. er, hold on........

I'd just like to let you know that this side of the Atlantic (Europe) thinks all this anti Obama rhetoric IS hilarious. In fact, me and some friends regularly tune in to Fox News and count the seconds before Obama and the Democrats are maligned. The winner is the one closest to the second and gets a chocolate biscuit reward. The loser has to go to the shop (store) to buy the biscuits.

In the meantime, please produce real, tangible facts and not gloss over the harsh realities of the last Republican presidency that alienated the entire world.

I hear cries for Isolationism are growing louder in America. Please, please, if the Republicans ever get back to power, please adopt Isolationism.................. We (the rest of the world) will be eternally grateful.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Sad thing is... I live in Alaska. SAVE ME! (can I move to your country?)

Need some more straw for that man, engineerretired?