NIBIRU 2012

dvnt · by **dvnt** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:06 pm

Yes, that's what I thought Stonehenge. You've got nothing to say to me.

My biggest flaw is that for some reason I can't stand the reality that people like the poor fools on this forum exist. For some reason I'm compelled to seek out and confront this orgy of ignorance where and when I come across it. That's my problem. Yours are much greater...

So much for not bothering with my posts anymore Shiro. As usual with people who pretend to take the high ground...it's all talk. Go ahead Shiro, you've already read my post no doubt, but I can't prove that. Don't respond and take the high ground.

Shiro · by **Shiro** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:12 pm

dvnt wrote:PS: I'd "foe" you too if you made a complete mockery of me, as I have done to you. I accept your concession.

Concession? Mockery? :lol:

Whatever you need to say to make yourself feel better.

As always, a barrel of laughs from dvnt.

stonehenge · by **stonehenge** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:14 pm

I don't think you've read the "worthless fantasy" I spew DVNT, at least you haven't downloaded my book to the best of my knowledge. I'm only a contributor to this forum because of a single aspect - the possibility that the Earth, or lithosphere, has shifted and the reason why it might have. It is an indication of the level of your ignorance that you have not read (either that or you have not understood) what I've posted. I simply wanted to draw attention to Stonehenge, a subject I've researched in depth. I don't think I've written anything to support the notion that December 21st, 2012 is doomsday, however, you, in your anger, frustration, and ignorance have assumed I am "one of them". It's a shame we're not having this discussion over a pint of beer at the local bar (I presume you're old enough to visit a bar?).

dvnt · by **dvnt** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:23 pm

There goes your grand standing high ground plight...

@Stonehenge: Your point is well made and correct. As I've exampled before I'm not the kind of person that won't admit when he's wrong. I did generalize your position. Forgive me, but your Ad Hom approach with Shiro naturally did lump you in with him from my perspective.

Actually I read your lengthy post and followed it to your website. I was fascinated by the methods that are suspected to have been employed building Stonehenge.

So then, what is your connection to this site? Stonehenge doesn't seem to provide any meaningful utility? Is that it? My brief perusing of your writings gave me the notion that some utility could be found for Stonehenge if it were aligned or located differently, is that correct? So I must threaten to lump you back in with the rest of these bawbags (learned it from a Scott! :lol:

) by pressing the question: Out of all the possible explanations for such an such an event why would you waste time considering something so explicitly improbable?

Ah well, I get ahead of myself. Is that your connection to this forum, your question that needs answering?

Seeing as how you seem to carry the same stench of rationale and logic as me, the kind of putrid repugnance that turns the stomachs of the user base here, it is indeed a shame we cannot share a pint. Maybe I'll look you up if I ever travel across the pond. The UK is it?

Deianera · by **Deianera** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:04 pm

dvnt wrote:Do you realize that you're talking about a civilization that knew nothing of planets, asteroids, comets, stars, galaxies, supernovas, ect... If they saw anything in the sky they created myths to explain it's significance. If there was anything effecting their culture at the time, a drought, a flood, bad politicians, lightning striking something important. It would all be attributed to this myth. We see this time and time again through out history, yet you choose to ignore so you can keep you pet "prophecy".

Over the past few thousand years there have likely been many astronomic phenomenon that would be visible, even brilliant to the naked eye. We can now explain many of these phenomenon and use the knowledge we've accumulated to speculate accurately about the future. None of these speculations involve polar shifts, whatever that is, NEOs, or catastrophic events of any kind.

dvnt, you don't give humankind much credit- how do you explain how the peoples of Central & South America, whose most ancient ruined cities are now known to be up to 20,000 years old, are the oldest known civilization to have used calculus- a mathematics used to plot the sizes & orbits of planets? Why invent an extremely complex form of math for which they had no use?

To denigrate what we do here on this site as "pet theories", etc. is not only pseudo-intellectual snobbery, it is also racist. "White man's history" tends to deliberately leave out all of the past achievements of native peoples all over the world, & it's painfully obvious that you haven't learned any other kind. Lazy thinking allows people to write off past knowledge as " myth & explanations for bad luck," etc. You need to catch up to a lot of things before you'll get anything out of this site, my friend- why on Earth are you here, otherwise?

You mentioned in another post "Don't recommend movies or books- just hand it to me". No one can do that for you- lazy thinking on your part, again- a lot of study is needed to begin to understand what's going on here; faith, as well. If you want something just handed to you, join the Skeptic's Society website- they believe in NOTHING, & I promise you they will tell you exactly what you want to hear! Deianera

Deianera · by **Deianera** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:21 pm

dvnt wrote:You're pretty much answered your own paranoid delusions. None of this garbage makes any sense from any standpoint other than, "I can only think one sentence at a time."

I'm not bashing the OP because I don't like what it's saying. I'm bashing it because it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense and it's not backed up with anything empirical. I'm bashing it, because it's this kind of brash ignorance, the ability to not just accept being ignorant but revel in it, that keeps politicians like the GOP in power. It's the same kind of ignorance that lets McCain say what ever the hell he wants regardless of it's accuracy and never receive any public criticism for it. If you question McCain you're a terrorist. And if you question this bullshit garbage you all believe here then you're just "uninformed" and "closed minded"

You need to learn about what science is, because there is NONE on this forum.

YOU need to learn about what politics really is & how power actually works in this world. Read Jim Marr's book, "Rule By Secrecy". Expostulating that we are to blame for people like GOP being in power & that it is all the fault of people like us because we know nothing of science makes no sense- what does one have to do with the other? If you really need to find fault, get yourself some real answers first. I get the idea that you are very young & justifiably afraid of what McCain will do if he takes office as President of the US- if the draft is revived, & it's already in place, you may be the next unfortunate soldier in McCain's self-proposed "100 years of war"- his idea of what it will take to gain world peace! AS IF!!! How is ranting at us going to change that?

We're here, as Shiro so wonderfully put it, to help each other learn to survive what is coming by sharing what we know. The owners of this site are Christians, & have kindly provided this site for us all, free of charge. Show a little respect. Deianera

Deianera · by **Deianera** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:44 pm

dvnt wrote:Wow, typos. I must be a moron.

If I took the time to read more? I read plenty, not the worthless fantasy that you two spew, but I read plenty. Your only correct assumption is that I do fire off posts with little regard for their formatting. However, and I'd like to make sure you're aware, I'm not applying for a job, responding to a colleague, or contacting someone with a business proposition. This is the internet, not a doctoral thesis. Have you read half the s**t on this board? It's in a greater need of your nit-picking than my diatribes. Perhaps if I cared more I wouldn't make so many mistakes in the spelling, grammar, and formatting of my posts. This has nothing to do with the content. The content of language is ideas, communication. If you're telling me that you can't understand what I'm saying because I said, "your" instead of, "you're" then you're in far greater need of reading practice than I am.

This s**t does get to me, because this ignorance evidenced here is the root of all evils. Religion, politics, the world feeds on the kind of ignorance that is bred here. It's ideologies like the ones that can be found here that allow anything to be acceptable. "I heard the world is going to end in 2012!", "Oh no!" It's because of people like you all that politicians can get away with murder, and a murderer can convince himself that his actions are just. There is no such thing as god and satan, there is no such thing as evil or evil people. Only ignorance and delusion. Ignorance preventing you from accepting things for what they are and delusions build upon this ignorance that can justify anything from mass murder to prayer. You're right, it does get to me because the best question, the one that is never asked in hallowed ground like this, is, "why?" The best answer, the one that is never given, is, "I don't know." If I ask you tools why the world is going to end in 2012 you won't give me the correct answer, which is, "I don't know."

I'm happy that all you can say about my contributions to this pit of ignorance is, "Haha, he said "it's" instead of "its" he's sooooo wrong about everything. Challenge my rebukes on this forum point for point, I dare you. You'll find very little ground to take. I'm just ecstatic that this date is not far off and I can laugh at you all when it comes and goes uneventfully. Then again, if anything remotely eventful, culturally speaking, happens anywhere near this date I'm sure you all will claim it as the fruition of your prophecies. After all, all you have is your delusions, and the only qualification for your prophecies being manifested are that they suit your own personal emotional requirements. Thanks for ruining the world, it isn't even 2012 yet.

PS: I'd "foe" you too if you made a complete mockery of me, as I have done to you. I accept your concession.

I have challenged you, as you put it, on more than your spelling- WHY ARE YOU HERE? You have NO business telling us what to believe!! If you think you have you are no better than the rulers you despise. If you were in charge of this world, would you impose a "one world religion of atheism"? There's a prophecy about that, too, but I'll save it for another time.

The main reason the posts on this site make you so angry is that you know nothing about what we are talking about & are too lazy in your thinking to admit it or bother to inform yourself about what you see. You don't necessarily have to BELIEVE any of it; just inform yourself about what people believe. It's people like you that write everything off as nonsense that are the reason dictators take power- look at the Soviet Union, if you will. An atheist nation that was & now is again a great & dangerous power. How much freedom do those people have to say what they really think? If you feel that the Russians are better off believing in nothing, I beg to differ. They are enslaved by their evil government & their country is overrun by the Red & Snow Leopard Mafias. I don't call that better off.

Take some time to grow up & be better informed. Go to college, if you aren't in it already. Hang out with people who have all kinds of ideas, not just the "cool" kind that young people think is gospel these days. THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. And if you really don't have anything better to do than pick on people who think differently than you do, GET A LIFE. Your country was founded by people who wanted to be free to think as they wished- ponder that for a change!

dvnt · by **dvnt** » Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:17 pm

Deianera wrote:I have challenged you, as you put it, on more than your spelling- WHY ARE YOU HERE?

dvnt wrote:I can't stand the reality that people like the poor fools on this forum exist. For some reason I'm compelled to seek out and confront this orgy of ignorance where and when I come across it. That's my problem. Yours are much greater...

You don't read very well do you?

Deianera wrote:You have NO business telling us what to believe!! If you think you have you are no better than the rulers you despise. If you were in charge of this world, would you impose a "one world religion of atheism"? There's a prophecy about that, too, but I'll save it for another time.

I'm not telling you what to believe. I'm telling you that these things that you think science suggest are not in fact appropriate conclusions to draw. I'm not telling you what to believe, I'm telling you that what you believe makes no sense in the context of the science you use to support your pathetic conclusions.

"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." - Don Hirschberg

Atheism is by no qualification a religion.

Deianera wrote:The main reason the posts on this site make you so angry is that you know nothing about what we are talking about & are too lazy in your thinking to admit it or bother to inform yourself about what you see. You don't necessarily have to BELIEVE any of it; just inform yourself about what people believe. It's people like you that write everything off as nonsense that are the reason dictators take power- look at the Soviet Union, if you will.

I don't write everything off as nonsense, only the things that make no sense, thus, nonsense. Your beliefs are filed away with the invisible pink unicorn, the flying spaghetti monster, and a living Elvis, because they are all equally grounded in empiricism...NONE.

Deianera wrote:An atheist nation that was & now is again a great & dangerous power. How much freedom do those people have to say what they really think? If you feel that the Russians are better off believing in nothing, I beg to differ. They are enslaved by their evil government & their country is overrun by the Red & Snow Leopard Mafias. I don't call that better off.

You shouldn't make it so easy for me... Calling the former Soviet Union atheist is a mockery of the term. The USSR wasn't any more atheist than than the Vatican. The only difference is that they didn't worship a god they worshiped a man, Stalin. Atheism is the refutation of dogma in the context of theism. Something that DID NOT TALK PLACE DURING STALIN'S RULE. The only reason anyone believes in Jesus Christ is because they are told to. If everyone in this world died but a new born infant (and the infant somehow survived) he would likely create just as many stories to answer his deepest questions. Please don't recycle the same tired false analogies. The USSR is not an example of an atheist civilization. The USSR did not take place because people were skeptical...to paraphrase Richard Dawkins.

Deianera wrote:Take some time to grow up & be better informed. Go to college, if you aren't in it already. Hang out with people who have all kinds of ideas, not just the "cool" kind that young people think is gospel these days. THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. And if you really don't have anything better to do than pick on people who think differently than you do, GET A LIFE. Your country was founded by people who wanted to be free to think as they wished- ponder that for a change!

Thinking outside the box does not mean breaking the rules. You cannot break Einsteins rules of relativity any more than you can break the laws of thermal dynamics and other such understandings. Your belief in this nonsense is in direct defiance of these things which are so deeply rooted in empiricism that someone like you or your precious Sitchin couldn't defy them with your best efforts. It would take a much more keen intellect to find a model to describe our universe more accurately.

What does college have to do with anything? Have you ever heard of an autodidact? Many influential people never went to college. How do you know I didn't go to college? Once again all you have is Ad Hom. You're pathetic. Keep on trying to keep up...

Deianera · by **Deianera** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:12 am

dvnt, you are making even less sense as a poster in this site than you ever did. You are desperate, & in a psychological sense. You know nothing about me, & yet you are using me as an attack reason for hurting harmless, ideological people!

We all wonder why. There are plenty of places your sort can go, for whatever reasons you think you have. Why not just go there? I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE- OUR SORT DON'T NEED YOU. Join the Skeptics! Be a part of that which will never question the so-called "needs" of you & yours. Deal with it, all of you, & don't conveniently blame us through your "intellectual" snobbery!

You & yours MUST know by now that whatever knowledge you're seeking after- which is NEVER available to all & sundry- has never been had for the asking. Why should we give any more of it than we already have to the likes of YOU?

You wouldn't be here if you didn't need to be, especially on the eve of the third World War. You in "Amerika" are running out of oil, out of options, & out of chances. Is this really all the present world crisis is really all about?? -Deianera

dragonscode · by **dragonscode** » Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:41 am

its all lies,made up to scare you folks some people just love to hate suppose thats the way they are..im just gonna say always keep an open mind to these things...seeing is believeing init bye ................

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