[quote="Bob Wise"]
Although NASA and others have not been able to confirm a “rogue” body in space (I do not know whether or not they would if they did spot it), is not to say it’s not there. Unless the body is flying at near the speed of light, it would take more than four years to reach the inner orbit of the Sun.

I think that they actually confirmed it in 1982, and was widely reported across the media, then for some reason it just dropped out, and its been deny deny ever since (correct me of course if I am wrong).

Hi, Angiem- yes, you're right- 1982-83 a "rogue" body was confirmed in space- then again in April of 1997! Amnon Sitchin, the brother of Zechariah Sitchin, was one of the confirmers as he worked for JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratories) in Pasadena, California for many years. Z. Sitchin's book "Genesis Revisited" tells all about this & much else. Then, this from Nostradamus:

6:35
Close to Orion, Ursa Major & the Milky Way
Aries, Taurus, Cancer, Leo, Virgo
Mars, Jupiter; the Sun shall burn the great plain,
Forest, & cities; a death warrant in the candle.

It helps in order to unravel this one to be an astrologer. By Candlemas of 2013 (Feb. 2nd) Nibiru should be visible to the naked eye- between Orion, the Big Dipper & the Milky Way. Just after that, Mars travels through Aries & Taurus from March 12th-May 31st, & Jupiter enters Cancer on June 27th. Mars travels through Cancer, Leo & Virgo from July 14th-Dec. 7th. Since Nibiru is due to come out from behind the Sun on or about the 11th of May according to old Sumerian records & will be at its closest to Earth in what is now the Asteroid Belt, it will begin wreaking havoc- including a terrible heat wave & drought. If the dreadful summer of 2003 in Europe that killed 10,000 people is any indication, Nibiru may make global warming look tame by comparison.

An old Sumerian prophecy about the next time Nibiru passes:

The great planet
At his appearance, dark red
The Heavens he divides in half
And stands as Nibiru.
If the Ram by Jupiter will be entered
When Venus conjuncts the Moon,
The watch will come to an end.
Woes, trouble, confusion, & bad things will occur in the lands.
People will sell their children for money;
The ruler of Iran will be surrounded in his palace;
There will follow the destruction of Iran & its people.

Jupiter enters Aries on Jan. 26th of 2011; the Moon conjuncts Venus in Sagittarius a few days later. Things are already heating up badly between the US & Iran. Last but not least, these words from Job in the Bible:

Job 9:5-10

Which removeth the mountains, and they know not; which overturneth them in his anger. Which shaketh the Earth out of her place; and the pillars thereof tremble. Which commandeth the Sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars. Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea. Which maketh Arcturus (bright star of Ursa Major), Orion, and the Pleiades (cluster of 7 stars in Taurus), and the chambers of the south (old term for the constellations of Orion & Taurus). Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without number.

Even if people doubt it all or laugh at it, why are all of these different ancient sources warning of the same things happening, in the same way at about the same time? There has to be a good reason. Deianera

Do you realize that you're talking about a civilization that knew nothing of planets, asteroids, comets, stars, galaxies, supernovas, ect... If they saw anything in the sky they created myths to explain it's significance. If there was anything effecting their culture at the time, a drought, a flood, bad politicians, lightning striking something important. It would all be attributed to this myth. We see this time and time again through out history, yet you choose to ignore so you can keep you pet "prophecy".

Over the past few thousand years there have likely been many astronomic phenomenon that would be visible, even brilliant to the naked eye. We can now explain many of these phenomenon and use the knowledge we've accumulated to speculate accurately about the future. None of these speculations involve polar shifts, whatever that is, NEOs, or catastrophic events of any kind.

Before we start speculating on how much ancient 'prehistoric' civilizations were aware of I think it's important to understand what pre-history actual means. History is the recorded accounts of what happened, and for many years that meant recourse to paper records. Paper doesn't stand the test of time well at all, especially at the hands of Christian invaders. You might ask yourself why, when Caesar wrote quite admirably of the Druids, he failed to preserve any of their texts? Perhaps it's because they transmitted knowledge across generations orally. No doubt you are aware of the Dark Ages and the Inquisition when Christianity sought to purge the world of ideas alien to the Catholic faith. I can quite easily imagine a post-apocalyptic world where the Taliban rule and every piece of information on electronic media is destroyed. But, even if magnetic-based media did survive a disaster of global proportions, how could we be certain it would persist to a point in the future when the technology associated with electricity became advanced enough to access the information? The only medium to survive the ages is stone and, unfortunately, it is not the best medium on which to record volumes of information. Look at our own stone records ... reliefs on buildings or gravestones, they don't really say a lot about how we live today do they?

By the way DVNT, while we're on the point of 'myths' to explain natural phenomenon, what about the current myth that Man is to blame for global warming and the rapid decline of the polar ice? I would have thought that if "We can now explain many of these phenomenon and use the knowledge we've accumulated to speculate accurately about the future", we could have expected more warning of the present crisis. Instead, scientists admit their computer models are incapable of predicting the disappearance of the Arctic Ice - end of the century, 30 years, next year?

dvnt wrote:Do you realize that you're talking about a civilization that knew nothing of planets, asteroids, comets, stars, galaxies, supernovas, ect... If they saw anything in the sky they created myths to explain it's significance. If there was anything effecting their culture at the time, a drought, a flood, bad politicians, lightning striking something important. It would all be attributed to this myth. We see this time and time again through out history, yet you choose to ignore so you can keep you pet "prophecy".

Over the past few thousand years there have likely been many astronomic phenomenon that would be visible, even brilliant to the naked eye. We can now explain many of these phenomenon and use the knowledge we've accumulated to speculate accurately about the future. None of these speculations involve polar shifts, whatever that is, NEOs, or catastrophic events of any kind.

Anyway, about the original post, Thanks for summing everything up so nicely. It's a shame that some people take it upon themselves to actively bash you for your trouble, but they will learn their place.

What really bothers me about this whole Planet X situation is that the only way to know, before 2012, is at the hands of our governments and they do not share their info with us. One thing i can't understand is that, Ok they want us to keep on living happy so they can get money off of us and get filthy rich.. What for? After 1012 money will be worthless anyway. Just think about it. On a post Nibiru era, the global damage done to humanity will be so great that i highly doubt money would ever have any value again. And with billions gone, what are they gonna buy and who from? We're all gonna have to start from scratch, gathering the raw materials in order to survive, and the world will probably revolve around trade of mutual goods more than money itself. (at least the way i see it). So what good will it do to keep this info from us?

And another thing is, if they do plan on being the only ones surviving the coming of Nibiru, how do they plan on doing it? In bunkers? Earthquakes can shatter and crach the walls, floods can flood the bunker, Volcanic eruptions can bury or burn them alive. There's no guarantee anywhere in the world will be safe. The only safe place i can think if, is space itself. Just ride it out while the planet suffers. :/

You're pretty much answered your own paranoid delusions. None of this garbage makes any sense from any standpoint other than, "I can only think one sentence at a time."

I'm not bashing the OP because I don't like what it's saying. I'm bashing it because it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense and it's not backed up with anything empirical. I'm bashing it, because it's this kind of brash ignorance, the ability to not just accept being ignorant but revel in it, that keeps politicians like the GOP in power. It's the same kind of ignorance that lets McCain say what ever the hell he wants regardless of it's accuracy and never receive any public criticism for it. If you question McCain you're a terrorist. And if you question this bullshit garbage you all believe here then you're just "uninformed" and "closed minded"



You need to learn about what science is, because there is NONE on this forum.

My boss in Kuwait was a multi-millionaire who always gave good advice, which is why I retired at the tender age of 40 having worked for him for 12 years. One of the things he impressed on me was the necessity to wait before replying lest you introduce emotion. So, when I see sentences like "You're pretty much answered your own paranoid delusions", which makes no sense ("you're" not "you've"), it tells me that the person responded in anger, perhaps even frustration over the subject. Similarly "regardless of it's accuracy " should read "regardless of its accuracy" and "closed minded" should close with a full-stop. Perhaps if you took the time to read more, DVNT, you wouldn't make so many mistakes in the content (English or otherwise) of your reply - the subject is obviously getting to you for some reason.

stonehenge wrote:My boss in Kuwait was a multi-millionaire who always gave good advice, which is why I retired at the tender age of 40 having worked for him for 12 years. One of the things he impressed on me was the necessity to wait before replying lest you introduce emotion. So, when I see sentences like "You're pretty much answered your own paranoid delusions", which makes no sense ("you're" not "you've"), it tells me that the person responded in anger, perhaps even frustration over the subject. Similarly "regardless of it's accuracy " should read "regardless of its accuracy" and "closed minded" should close with a full-stop. Perhaps if you took the time to read more, DVNT, you wouldn't make so many mistakes in the content (English or otherwise) of your reply - the subject is obviously getting to you for some reason.

Very well said.

Personally i have stopped paying any sort of attention to his posts, much less actually spend the energy to reply and correct his English. Thus why i added him to my 'Foe' list. I am, however, glad that someone does.

Wow, typos. I must be a moron.

If I took the time to read more? I read plenty, not the worthless fantasy that you two spew, but I read plenty. Your only correct assumption is that I do fire off posts with little regard for their formatting. However, and I'd like to make sure you're aware, I'm not applying for a job, responding to a colleague, or contacting someone with a business proposition. This is the internet, not a doctoral thesis. Have you read half the s**t on this board? It's in a greater need of your nit-picking than my diatribes. Perhaps if I cared more I wouldn't make so many mistakes in the spelling, grammar, and formatting of my posts. This has nothing to do with the content. The content of language is ideas, communication. If you're telling me that you can't understand what I'm saying because I said, "your" instead of, "you're" then you're in far greater need of reading practice than I am.

This s**t does get to me, because this ignorance evidenced here is the root of all evils. Religion, politics, the world feeds on the kind of ignorance that is bred here. It's ideologies like the ones that can be found here that allow anything to be acceptable. "I heard the world is going to end in 2012!", "Oh no!" It's because of people like you all that politicians can get away with murder, and a murderer can convince himself that his actions are just. There is no such thing as god and satan, there is no such thing as evil or evil people. Only ignorance and delusion. Ignorance preventing you from accepting things for what they are and delusions build upon this ignorance that can justify anything from mass murder to prayer. You're right, it does get to me because the best question, the one that is never asked in hallowed ground like this, is, "why?" The best answer, the one that is never given, is, "I don't know." If I ask you tools why the world is going to end in 2012 you won't give me the correct answer, which is, "I don't know."

I'm happy that all you can say about my contributions to this pit of ignorance is, "Haha, he said "it's" instead of "its" he's sooooo wrong about everything. Challenge my rebukes on this forum point for point, I dare you. You'll find very little ground to take. I'm just ecstatic that this date is not far off and I can laugh at you all when it comes and goes uneventfully. Then again, if anything remotely eventful, culturally speaking, happens anywhere near this date I'm sure you all will claim it as the fruition of your prophecies. After all, all you have is your delusions, and the only qualification for your prophecies being manifested are that they suit your own personal emotional requirements. Thanks for ruining the world, it isn't even 2012 yet.

PS: I'd "foe" you too if you made a complete mockery of me, as I have done to you. I accept your concession.