The war is coming and to those of you that doubt it. It's time to maybe just prepare. It's coming , 1 way or another do not doubt that rationalized nations don't doubt the increasingly amount of natural resources being wasted, on nothing. Stricter rules and policies are definitely needed in order to sustain an abundant amount of people. Without them you will see nothing but lawlessness. Populations are getting harder to control because of the amount of immigrants being aloud to enter into intelligent nations without much education or anything else. Too many countries rotting around the civilized nations. There is a lot of poverty and homelessness even in our own cities, and yet we let in ill witted immigrants before we help our own. It's almost a hopeless state. So believe me war is almost inevitable. There are organizations that are much more intelligent and would be stupid to not guess that war wouldn't be an option. In every war comes change. Depopulation will save much of the worlds natural supplies and resources. Without it, just means the earth as we know it will die much faster.

Hi John, how is 2036, did you get that computer you needed? How come your home fort isn't under water as not much of Florida is only just above sea level. In between all the wars and everything did you manage to stop global warming and the rising sea levels? Oh and why are you so worried about the UNIX clock problem when solutions are already being worked on? Oh and if you can pass me some sets of winning lottery numbers or some winning horse names or F1 car it would be greatly appreciated, as world some notes on the general theory of time travel, I like to get up to speed on the newest of innovations as quickly as possible, having a 3 year head start would be cool.

Oh hang on a sec, if the world ends in 2012, how come you survived?

NoPlanetX wrote:Fighting is not the only way to solve our problems. Sure, fighting is how the human race got to where it is today, but that doesn't mean we need it anymore. We're still a young species when compared to some others, and if Darwin's theory of evolution is correct (Which I believe is), we're still evolving. We're learning all the time. And the more intelligent we become, the less of a need to fight there will be, because we will simply be able to negotiate a solution, one that will make everyone happy. And if you're still not convinced, then look at Gandhi. If you don't know who he is, then shame on you. You have little right to talk about whether or not we need a war until you know about Gandhi and what he did. Basically, he was an Indian who, with the help of others, managed to convince Britain to give India (Modern-day India and Pakistan) it's independence. But he didn't do it like we did in the United States. Rather than fight Britain with guns, Gandhi and Co fought the British with nonviolent resistance. They would not follow British laws, go on hunger strikes, refuse to work, and the like. What they didn't do was fight with violence. Gandhi's protests worked, and now we have India and Pakistan, both free from British rule, totally independent of other countries, including each other. Think about THAT, you little crazy Warmonger.

Humans are evil (Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao; All human, identical to you and me in every way). They're self-centred, hoarding, violent ANIMALS. Animals control their population by killing. Why should we be any different? *bring bring* *because we have intelligence, you say*. Good point, therefore we should realize that we've had over 4000, or however many years, of intelligence. And look where we've ended up! Look around, global warming... desertification, famine, drought, tsunamis.... even small things like building on a river's floodplain. All a product of over-population.

We grew from small, small numbers of people. We've grown and we've grown. We've grown to a point that it is unreasonable for this planet. We've grown to a point where we build on everything. We consume everything, we make stuff just to consume it. We've lost who we really are. Look back all those years to that bearded guy in a cave who clubs things and plays with fire. That's who we are. Same body, same mind, same animal. Granted, human developments have done wonders: painkillers, antibiotics... for God sake we can wipe out a whole disease if we want to... But that's not our place. However we were created, we were got intelligence. We got the ability to change the things around us *SO WHY NOT MAKE THE WORLD BETTER??*. Because the combined efforts of the world's population for the past however many years have got it wrong. Has no-one considered that there is no better way of bettering ourselves than by remembering who we are? Remembering that we used to regularly go and kill others to make our world better. We all love evolution, why stop our own? Natural selection is the name of the game, like it or not, that is the way the world works. That is the way it always has and the way it always will, because we're animals. My main point being that, for however long, we've tried it the other way. Now lets do it the only way we can be sure that it works. That person over there has no more right to survive than you. Who says anyone has the right to life? I mean seriously, you must hate me right now. By some random chance, you're sitting there and Aboyo in Sudan is starving to death. Not my fault. Random chance. I'm using that same argument that you use to persuade me to help *It's not his fault he's there* Nope, and it's not mine either. Morality you say! Well, answer me this. Can you justify having morals without using some kind of moral argument? Can you justify it from some kind of outside perspective. I can't. Or does it justify it from it's actions? Ok, fine. But then isn't it just another idea? Something that we've all been taught? Something can't just justify itself. Nope, don't like that idea. it doesn't ever suit everyone either, so why should everyone have to subscribe? Why are people locked up because morality doesn't suit their life style? *Because people who do subscribe to morality have the power*. Oh, well that's not fair is it? Whoops, that's everything you hate!!!

Oh I don't know. Human history is not bright, you can have counter examples, but you can't deny that there has been an over abundance of killing in our past. All by intelligent humans. Why shy away from the most effective, natural way of population control? Why deny who you are? Murderers. That's all we are at heart. If we weren't, we wouldn't be here today having this debate.

I am the Thorn wrote:We need World War 3
The youth are floundering aimlessly about, many in a morbidly obese state.
Adults lack motivation and focus.
The earth is grossly over populated.
World economies are going down the shitter.

No - we need revelations to occur. War is evil. War hurts.

We need revelations to cure Africa from anti-Intelligence.

We need revelations to cure our economy.

We need revelations to cure the modern family.

We need revelations for a greater conscious of humanity.

We need peace, love, and *understanding. That is all we need.

The next war will be nuclear and biological, it benefits no one and in the end there won't be a safe place to live on this planet. The first 2 world wars were over money, a few needed more of it, the next world war is not for money, it is for depopulation and anyone thinking otherwise is naive and close minded to the facts and realities that face us in the world and in politics. ( secret meetings, secret agendas ) If they didn't want us all to die then why do they not make public knowledge where we can hide too as they will do when the bombs drop. Shelters are only for government and super rich, you and me are left to fend for ourselves and take the brunt of their war even though it is our tax dollars that build these shelters. No ww111 is not good nor beneficial to anyone, they didn't have nuclear bombs in the previous wars or we would not be here today debating this, do you think if Stalin or Hitler had a nuclear bomb we would all be sitting here today? Not a chance and don't think for a minute all the Stalins and Hitlers are gone because they are not. They are still running our countries and the world, the only difference now is we trust them because we elect them or at least in our little minds we believe we are electing them. Have a good day

The next world war is not particularly likely to go nuclear at all, even if it did it wouldn't be on as huge a scale as many people would imagine, this is because since the end of the cold war disarmanent has occurred on such a large scale and nuclear awareness has kicked in that everyone knows that a nuclear winter or, even worse, a nuclear summer would set in. In the case of a large conventional war it would start with one of the following scenarios. An attack by North Korea on South Korea or Japan. This would then get the U.S.A involved and thus both China and the The Russian Federation would feel threatened and get involved but China and Russia are no longer allies, contrary to popular opinion, and so would probably end up fighting each other. I will demonstrate this in a domino list, exactly the same as the great war.
North Korea attacks Japan and South Korea.
U.S.A declares war on North Korea.
Russia and China declare war on U.S.A.
China declares war on Russia.
The E.U probably wouldn't get involved.
The second scenario is an attack by Iran on Israel again I will demonstrate a domino list.
Iran attacks Israel
U.S.A declares war on Iran
Russia declares war on U.S.A and Israel
The E.U declare war on Russia and Iran
North Korea declare war on E.U and U.S.A
South Korea,Japan,Australia and New Zealand declare war on North Korea,Iran and Russia
China declares war on Russia
I would estimate casualties at 2 Billion roughly

It's nice to finally get some reality amongst all of the fantasy in relation to this topic.

To the following posters, thank you for your contributions and thoughts

john titor wrote:The war is coming and to those of you that doubt it. It's time to maybe just prepare. It's coming , 1 way or another do not doubt that rationalized nations don't doubt the increasingly amount of natural resources being wasted, on nothing. Stricter rules and policies are definitely needed in order to sustain an abundant amount of people. Without them you will see nothing but lawlessness. Populations are getting harder to control because of the amount of immigrants being aloud to enter into intelligent nations without much education or anything else. Too many countries rotting around the civilized nations. There is a lot of poverty and homelessness even in our own cities, and yet we let in ill witted immigrants before we help our own. It's almost a hopeless state. So believe me war is almost inevitable. There are organizations that are much more intelligent and would be stupid to not guess that war wouldn't be an option. In every war comes change. Depopulation will save much of the worlds natural supplies and resources. Without it, just means the earth as we know it will die much faster.

Excellent post John!
Yes depopulation of the human species which will be via WW3, will benefit the earth immensely and consequently those humans that survive.

Guest wrote:Humans are evil (Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao; All human, identical to you and me in every way). They're self-centred, hoarding, violent ANIMALS. Animals control their population by killing. Why should we be any different? *bring bring* *because we have intelligence, you say*. Good point, therefore we should realize that we've had over 4000, or however many years, of intelligence. And look where we've ended up! Look around, global warming... desertification, famine, drought, tsunamis.... even small things like building on a river's floodplain. All a product of over-population.

Yes exactly no matter how much spin the do-gooders and the politically correct try to put on it, it comes down to "Ëœprotect those that are of my own unit and like me and kill all that aren't'.

Guest wrote:We grew from small, small numbers of people. We've grown and we've grown. We've grown to a point that it is unreasonable for this planet. We've grown to a point where we build on everything. We consume everything, we make stuff just to consume it. We've lost who we really are. Look back all those years to that bearded guy in a cave who clubs things and plays with fire. That's who we are. Same body, same mind, same animal. Granted, human developments have done wonders: painkillers, antibiotics... for God sake we can wipe out a whole disease if we want to... But that's not our place. However we were created, we were got intelligence. We got the ability to change the things around us *SO WHY NOT MAKE THE WORLD BETTER??*. Because the combined efforts of the world's population for the past however many years have got it wrong. Has no-one considered that there is no better way of bettering ourselves than by remembering who we are? Remembering that we used to regularly go and kill others to make our world better. We all love evolution, why stop our own? Natural selection is the name of the game, like it or not, that is the way the world works. That is the way it always has and the way it always will, because we're animals. My main point being that, for however long, we've tried it the other way. Now lets do it the only way we can be sure that it works. That person over there has no more right to survive than you. Who says anyone has the right to life? I mean seriously, you must hate me right now. By some random chance, you're sitting there and Aboyo in Sudan is starving to death. Not my fault. Random chance. I'm using that same argument that you use to persuade me to help *It's not his fault he's there* Nope, and it's not mine either. Morality you say! Well, answer me this. Can you justify having morals without using some kind of moral argument? Can you justify it from some kind of outside perspective. I can't. Or does it justify it from it's actions? Ok, fine. But then isn't it just another idea? Something that we've all been taught? Something can't just justify itself. Nope, don't like that idea. it doesn't ever suit everyone either, so why should everyone have to subscribe? Why are people locked up because morality doesn't suit their life style? *Because people who do subscribe to morality have the power*. Oh, well that's not fair is it? Whoops, that's everything you hate!!!

Yes morality and ethics blah blah blah have evolutionarily weakened the human species. The level of support we have given in regards to the sick, weak, mentally ill etc. in the last thousand years or so has weakened the entire human species via procreation with unfit individuals. Sure back in the cave the man with the poor eyesight might have been supported (for a time) but just look at the prevalence on terrible eyesight nowadays as just one example of how weakened we have become.

Guest wrote:Oh I don't know. Human history is not bright, you can have counter examples, but you can't deny that there has been an over abundance of killing in our past. All by intelligent humans. Why shy away from the most effective, natural way of population control? Why deny who you are? Murderers. That's all we are at heart. If we weren't, we wouldn't be here today having this debate.

Yes we have gotten where we are now because we are THE keystone species and THE apex predator on the earth. It is not only human nature to kill that not of your own, take chimpanzees for example, which will actually take coordinated hunts beyond their own territories for the specific purpose of killing members of other groups not only for the purpose of expanding their own territories but also because they enjoy it!

jack wrote:The next world war is not particularly likely to go nuclear at all, even if it did it wouldn't be on as huge a scale as many people would imagine, this is because since the end of the cold war disarmanent has occurred on such a large scale and nuclear awareness has kicked in that everyone knows that a nuclear winter or, even worse, a nuclear summer would set in. In the case of a large conventional war it would start with one of the following scenarios. An attack by North Korea on South Korea or Japan. This would then get the U.S.A involved and thus both China and the The Russian Federation would feel threatened and get involved but China and Russia are no longer allies, contrary to popular opinion, and so would probably end up fighting each other. I will demonstrate this in a domino list, exactly the same as the great war.
North Korea attacks Japan and South Korea.
U.S.A declares war on North Korea.
Russia and China declare war on U.S.A.
China declares war on Russia.
The E.U probably wouldn't get involved.
The second scenario is an attack by Iran on Israel again I will demonstrate a domino list.
Iran attacks Israel
U.S.A declares war on Iran
Russia declares war on U.S.A and Israel
The E.U declare war on Russia and Iran
North Korea declare war on E.U and U.S.A
South Korea,Japan,Australia and New Zealand declare war on North Korea,Iran and Russia
China declares war on Russia
I would estimate casualties at 2 Billion roughly

I think the deterioration / instability of stored nuclear warheads will be a bigger factor in regards to their reduced use during WW3. It would only take one neglected warhead to go off on preparation or on launching for the country concerned to think twice about trying to launch another.

I personally believe that WW3 will be started as you have stated with North Korea completely destroying South Korea and making small but significant attacks against Japan. The USA, Japan, UK, Australia, NZ etc. will form an alliance and declare war on North Korea which will force China and Russia into the war. I don't believe much will happen in the Middle East until a few years into the war when Iran will take advantage of the fact that the "ËœWest's' resources are heavily engaged elsewhere and declare war on Iraq and Israel (a lot of bad blood there) and possible also Turkey which will finally draw the reluctant EU into the war.

I agree that direct casualties of the war will be around 2 Billion with secondary casualties of around 1 Billion. This will be roughly around a 50% reduction of the human species which I fear will only stimulate an ever bigger "Ëœbaby boomer' generation than that of post WW2.

Maybe we need world war 3, but i know, that world war 3 is the end of the war. It will be in 2010. Many people will die, but a few people will survive. All of Europe will be under terrorists control and many other things will happen.
How it will start?
By an atentate to three persons. Politicians.
Now, you can do nothing, but don't think about that. Now, if you can have a fun, do it. Theres no more time to do that....

It's not important who fires the first shot because they are all the same group, the new world orders already here, it has been inciting conflicts for their financial gain for hundreds of years.
Most, if not all governments, and corporations knowingly or unknowingly already take direction from them. Over 90% of consumer goods we depend on to survive are produced by them. They have the power to simply turn of the food, water and electricity. How long do you think you could survive if you couldn't go to the supermarket to get food? They have already created a society completely dependent on them.
Time is running out! Get seeds and learn how to provide food for yourself and your family without taking it by force, because that's the only thing that will save you! Refuse to fight one and other but be prepared to defend yourself. You will be able to identify the enemy by their efforts to manipulate you to fight.

Oh! And if you haven't already, watch Zeitgeist.

I don't get why any human would prefer 5 billion dead humans over a bunch of dead animals. If we're such a violent species, then wouldn't the collapse of the ecosystem be nothing until it affects us? And a Nuclear War would effectively wipe out about 90% of life we can see with the naked eye. Plenty of plants would die, thus costing us precious oxygen. The main producers on Earth would be gone, so many surviving animals that feed on plants would starve. This would cause a domino effect, and surviving animals that eat the animals that eat plants would starve. Anything that eats those animals would starve, and those animals. In fact, anything that eats plants or animals would probably starve. At the end of Nuclear Winter, the dominant species on Earth would probably be some sort of microbe or fungus. If humans managed to survive, they would probably die from disease. The Earth would either see new creatures evolve, and perhaps an new intelligent creature will dominated the Earth, perhaps finding something that somehow survived (Plastic, for instance) and wonder what we were like. Or maybe fungus and microbes shall inherit the Earth until the Sun blows up. If you're a human, this series of events would be a bad thing.