Jesus is coming soon

by **Guest** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 5:39 am

so you guys are worshiping fear? If I had a means of providing you with pain and misery at my own fickle whim, unless you do what I say, would you worship me? think about that!!!this is a story in a book.

fuzoid · by **fuzoid** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:32 am

Precursor wrote:
They won't believe you unless you prove it.
And in order to prove something doesn't exist, you have to be able to be omnipresent.

It's very simple.

The bible says that god created man in his image.

Science has proven that man has evolved to become what it is today.

Actually, science has not proven man has evolved into what we are today. This is why it is still known as The Theory of Evolution. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it. However, I do believe as you do, ALL life has evolved to what we see today. I just can't prove it as scientific fact.

That does one of two things (or both).
1. It proves God doesn't exist.
2. It proves the bible is wrong.

Actually it does nothing of the sort! Even if evolution is one day proven beyond a shadow of doubt, it does not disprove God. All it proves is that if God does exist, He created our universe and life to evolve along the path that He set before it. If God doesn't exist, then it's a moot point. But we have one pesky little problem, God is in the realm of the un-provable". one way or the other.

As for the Bible, it doesn't need science to prove it's wrong".as the Word of God. It does that all by itself.

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by **Guest** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:53 pm

fuzoid wrote:
Precursor wrote:
They won't believe you unless you prove it.
And in order to prove something doesn't exist, you have to be able to be omnipresent.

It's very simple.

The bible says that god created man in his image.

Science has proven that man has evolved to become what it is today.

Actually, science has not proven man has evolved into what we are today. This is why it is still known as The Theory of Evolution. If you have evidence to the contrary, please share it. However, I do believe as you do, ALL life has evolved to what we see today. I just can't prove it as scientific fact.

That does one of two things (or both).
1. It proves God doesn't exist.
2. It proves the bible is wrong.

Actually it does nothing of the sort! Even if evolution is one day proven beyond a shadow of doubt, it does not disprove God. All it proves is that if God does exist, He created our universe and life to evolve along the path that He set before it. If God doesn't exist, then it's a moot point. But we have one pesky little problem, God is in the realm of the un-provable". one way or the other.

As for the Bible, it doesn't need science to prove it's wrong".as the Word of God. It does that all by itself.

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You misunderstand how theories work. Yes it has not been proven that it is the definite way things have happened but it undergoes testing all the time that cant disprove thats the way it happened. The discovery of dna was a breakthrew for evolution showing that it is highly likely that we came from apes. So up to this point the theory of evolution is considered to be the way things happened among most of the scientific communtiy. If it were to be proven or disproven it would no longer be a science or a theory. As long as there are things to test against it, it cant cross that threshold. Theories arent made to be proven or disproven they are only made to test possibilities.
And you are correct that science cannot prove or disprove Gods existence. But evolution does prove the bible wrong. As stated above the similarities of humans and apes are extraodinarily close. Apes have 24 chromosomes to Humans 23 in our dna. Now the proof that we came from apes would have to show that our loss of a chromosome is apparent in our dna. And it in fact does, now to demonstrate i will use _._ as a visual of a chromosome. Apes have 24 that look this way. Humans have 22 that look this way and one that is diffrent. Our second chromosome looks like _._._ and is the only one that differs from the rest. The only way we could get a chromosome that looks like our second is for two chromosomes to combine into one or it is a genetic deform. Either way it leans to the assumption that we came from the monkey threw gradual evolution or genetic deform.

I would like to direct you to a 12 part video on youtube that discusses Intelligent design and and the theory of evolution. This is a very interesting show no matter what side you lean toward.

you must go to youtube to view the other 11 parts.

fuzoid · by **fuzoid** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:01 pm

Guest wrote:You misunderstand how theories work. Yes it has not been proven that it is the definite way things have happened but it undergoes testing all the time that cant disprove thats the way it happened.

While I greatly appreciate your input, I do not misunderstand theory. Theory, or rather scientific theory (of evolution in this example), simply states that a hypothesis (testable model) should be capable of being tested through experimentation and/or observation in accordance with the scientific method. If it was proven as science fact it would be called a law. As in, The Law of Evolution. And don't be too sure that it can't be disproven. Although I personally believe the theory is sound, in the January 24-30, 2009 edition of New Scientist magazine there is an article titled Uprooting Darwin's Tree. In this article evolutionary biologist, Eric Bapteste, states:

"For a long time the holy grail was to build a tree of life," says Eric Bapteste, an evolutionary biologist at the Pierre and Marie Curie University in Paris, France. A few years ago it looked as though the grail was within reach. But today the project lies in tatters, torn to pieces by an onslaught of negative evidence. Many biologists now argue that the tree concept is obsolete and needs to be discarded. "We have no evidence at all that the tree of life is a reality," says Bapteste. That bombshell has even persuaded some that our fundamental view of biology needs to change.

You can read the article in its entirety by following this link; http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... -life.html

And before any Biblical ID proponent tries to jump on this article as proof evolution is wrong, this is not what the article claims. It only states that Darwin's concept of the tree of life is wrong, or needs to be rewritten. This is a perfect example of science in action as this is exactly how science works!

The discovery of dna was a breakthrew for evolution showing that it is highly likely that we came from apes. So up to this point the theory of evolution is considered to be the way things happened among most of the scientific communtiy.

Ironically DNA was the demise for the tree of life. But in a nutshell, you are correct. But it is still not proven. Science does not speak in factual terms simply because newer evidence may come along that may either modify, replace, or disprove existing theory. It only describes the most likely outcome.

If it were to be proven or disproven it would no longer be a science or a theory. As long as there are things to test against it, it cant cross that threshold. Theories arent made to be proven or disproven they are only made to test possibilities.

Absoluely correct.... with one exception, it would still be science.

And you are correct that science cannot prove or disprove Gods existence. But evolution does prove the bible wrong.

No, you cannot prove the Bible wrong. You may be able to prove parts of it wrong or inaccurate, especially the NT, but you cannot disprove all of it. However, the simple fact that parts of it can be shown to be inaccurate proves, to my satisfaction, that it cannot be the Word of God.

As stated above the similarities of humans and apes are extraodinarily close. Apes have 24 chromosomes to Humans 23 in our dna. Now the proof that we came from apes would have to show that our loss of a chromosome is apparent in our dna. And it in fact does, now to demonstrate i will use _._ as a visual of a chromosome. Apes have 24 that look this way. Humans have 22 that look this way and one that is diffrent. Our second chromosome looks like _._._ and is the only one that differs from the rest. The only way we could get a chromosome that looks like our second is for two chromosomes to combine into one or it is a genetic deform. Either way it leans to the assumption that we came from the monkey threw gradual evolution or genetic deform.

Actually, it was apes. Monkeys [still] have tails. But very well put! Biology was never my strong point and even I understood this! :lol:

I would like to direct you to a 12 part video on youtube that discusses Intelligent design and and the theory of evolution. This is a very interesting show no matter what side you lean toward. you must go to youtube to view the other 11 parts.

I'll have to check it out when I have more time. Thanks for the link!

fuzoid -
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

DRE · by **DRE** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:53 am

fuzoid wrote:
Guest wrote:You misunderstand how theories work. Yes it has not been proven that it is the definite way things have happened but it undergoes testing all the time that cant disprove thats the way it happened.

While I greatly appreciate your input, I do not misunderstand theory. Theory, or rather scientific theory (of evolution in this example), simply states that a hypothesis (testable model) should be capable of being tested through experimentation and/or observation in accordance with the scientific method. If it was proven as science fact it would be called a law. As in, The Law of Evolution. And don't be too sure that it can't be disproved. Although I personally believe the theory is sound, in the January 24-30, 2009 edition of New Scientist magazine there is an article titled Uprooting Darwin's Tree. In this article evolutionary biologist, Eric Bapteste, states:

"For a long time the holy grail was to build a tree of life," says Eric Bapteste, an evolutionary biologist at the Pierre and Marie Curie University in Paris, France. A few years ago it looked as though the grail was within reach. But today the project lies in tatters, torn to pieces by an onslaught of negative evidence. Many biologists now argue that the tree concept is obsolete and needs to be discarded. "We have no evidence at all that the tree of life is a reality," says Bapteste. That bombshell has even persuaded some that our fundamental view of biology needs to change.

You can read the article in its entirety by following this link; http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... -life.html

And before any Biblical ID proponent tries to jump on this article as proof evolution is wrong, this is not what the article claims. It only states that Darwin's concept of the tree of life is wrong, or needs to be rewritten. This is a perfect example of science in action as this is exactly how science works!

The discovery of DNA was a breakthrough for evolution showing that it is highly likely that we came from apes. So up to this point the theory of evolution is considered to be the way things happened among most of the scientific community.

Ironically DNA was the demise for the tree of life. But in a nutshell, you are correct. But it is still not proven. Science does not speak in factual terms simply because newer evidence may come along that may either modify, replace, or disprove existing theory. It only describes the most likely outcome.

If it were to be proven or disproved it would no longer be a science or a theory. As long as there are things to test against it, it cant cross that threshold. Theories aren't made to be proven or disproved they are only made to test possibilities.

Absolutely correct.... with one exception, it would still be science.

And you are correct that science cannot prove or disprove Gods existence. But evolution does prove the bible wrong.

No, you cannot prove the Bible wrong. You may be able to prove parts of it wrong or inaccurate, especially the NT, but you cannot disprove all of it. However, the simple fact that parts of it can be shown to be inaccurate proves, to my satisfaction, that it cannot be the Word of God.

As stated above the similarities of humans and apes are extraordinarily close. Apes have 24 chromosomes to Humans 23 in our DNA. Now the proof that we came from apes would have to show that our loss of a chromosome is apparent in our DNA. And it in fact does, now to demonstrate i will use _._ as a visual of a chromosome. Apes have 24 that look this way. Humans have 22 that look this way and one that is different. Our second chromosome looks like _._._ and is the only one that differs from the rest. The only way we could get a chromosome that looks like our second is for two chromosomes to combine into one or it is a genetic deform. Either way it leans to the assumption that we came from the monkey threw gradual evolution or genetic deform.

Actually, it was apes. Monkeys [still] have tails. But very well put! Biology was never my strong point and even I understood this!

I would like to direct you to a 12 part video on youtube that discusses Intelligent design and and the theory of evolution. This is a very interesting show no matter what side you lean toward. you must go to youtube to view the other 11 parts.

I'll have to check it out when I have more time. Thanks for the link!

fuzoid -
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

Well, if all that is true then we came from apes. Show me one ape that became human by evolution. You would think that in all this time you would know of one! All this is because you do not what to believe that there is a God who created you. Man thinks he is smarter than God.

by **ddd** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:21 pm

DRE wrote:
Well, if all that is true then we came from apes. Show me one ape that became human by evolution. You would think that in all this time you would know of one! All this is because you do not what to believe that there is a God who created you. Man thinks he is smarter than God.

Show me how all the genetic drift apparent in modern day homo sapiens around the world arose in six thousand years from Adam and Eve???? We're not just talking skin color here, but dozens of physical characteristics like bone structure. I don't expect an answer, cause as I've already learned weeks ago, you refuse to lift your head out of the bible long enough to take these things into account.

Some of us need more than blind faith. Some of us actually want some tangible answers to our questions. We know the earth is older than the lineage in the bible suggests, same goes for the universe - just the fact that we can see the milky way, let alone the rest of it, shows us it has been emitting light for far longer than 6ooo years. If their ultimately is a god, the universe science studies is the one he/she/it created. Not the one in the bible. If we are just beginning to work it out for ourselves, you could hardly say that we presume to know more than an entity with the power to set such a massive and hideously complex undertaking into motion.

I think the basic idea these days says African apes like chimpanzees and gorillas came from a common ancestor along with us. We'll work it out one day, but I doubt you'll be listening at any rate. Humans from Apes - how utterly obscene and degrading!! :lol:

Perhaps 'Man thinks his sh*t doesn't stink like every other animal' would be more appropriate.

by **Guest** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:54 pm

Well, if all that is true then we came from apes.

Well yeah thats why i posted it. It's not like it's still being tested. This would be what we call the solution to the problem.

Show me one ape that became human by evolution.

Look in a mirror.

You would think that in all this time you would know of one!

one? how many people in the world....billions?

All this is because you do not what to believe that there is a God who created you.

No all this cause it's science, my choices are to believe that it happened through evolution which can be tested or i could believe a book written by man that says a God created it in seven days.

Man thinks he is smarter than God.

Well why wouldn't he when he knows him/herself is real and there is no proof of a God. Show proof of a God then you can debate who is smarter.

fuzoid · by **fuzoid** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:09 am

DRE wrote:Well, if all that is true then we came from apes. Show me one ape that became human by evolution. You would think that in all this time you would know of one! All this is because you do not what to believe that there is a God who created you. Man thinks he is smarter than God.

Surely you jest! Go look in a mirror. Humans are a member of the ape family! And what makes you think I don't believe in God? Because it's not your God? And why does God and evolution have to be incompatible? Perhaps this is how He got the ball rolling? By evolution of not only life as we understand it, but the universe as a whole? If I was a betting man, I would take that bet.

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DRE · by **DRE** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:58 am

fuzoid wrote:
DRE wrote:Well, if all that is true then we came from apes. Show me one ape that became human by evolution. You would think that in all this time you would know of one! All this is because you do not what to believe that there is a God who created you. Man thinks he is smarter than God.

Surely you jest! Go look in a mirror. Humans are a member of the ape family! And what makes you think I don't believe in God? Because it's not your God? And why does God and evolution have to be incompatible? Perhaps this is how He got the ball rolling? By evolution of not only life as we understand it, but the universe as a whole? If I was a betting man, I would take that bet.

fuzoid
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My God is the God of the bible, I believe what the bible says about where I came from. You don't believe what the bible is states. No! my God is not your god. What kills me about some people is that the evolution believers force their cancer on people in schools and put it in moral principles, just as you said we do. You can believe whatever you want but, when you discredit the bible is when you're going to hear from me. Do you ever think that humans will only know everything? Answer this, what came first the chicken or the egg? It may sound silly but, you can not answer because you will never find the answer. Then, find me the Body of my Lord Jesus. If they do I'll be standing right next to you saying the same thing. They never will because He's not dead!

DRE · by **DRE** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:02 am

fuzoid wrote:
DRE wrote:Well, if all that is true then we came from apes. Show me one ape that became human by evolution. You would think that in all this time you would know of one! All this is because you do not what to believe that there is a God who created you. Man thinks he is smarter than God.

Surely you jest! Go look in a mirror. Humans are a member of the ape family! And what makes you think I don't believe in God? Because it's not your God? And why does God and evolution have to be incompatible? Perhaps this is how He got the ball rolling? By evolution of not only life as we understand it, but the universe as a whole? If I was a betting man, I would take that bet.

fuzoid
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