If you look at the sky lately you could be fooled either by saturn or venus nevertheless it is absolutely normal that you can't spot nibiru with the naked eye right now in fact even in begin 2009 it will only be visible trough powerfull telescopes.

As for the world government thing can't control astrology that's right everybody can look up at the sky but seeing nibiru is one thing airing the images and videos on the mass media is another thing as everything that gets trough cable has to be aproved by the government.

Why do you think that dissent voices about the nwo never gets aired at the mass media ....

No there are definetely powerfull banking cartels that form these so called "elites" of today.Which basiqually another word for "proxies" of the bankers.

The same illuminati bankers have created aal the secret agencies. And this is quite obvious as masonry can be found worldwide in these secret societies they create. The same secret agencies hire debunkers or desinformateurs who ridicule every subject that you are not supposed to know about it by exagerrating or flooding with nonsense so that the reader abandons searching for the truth.

One simple example when you search for nibiru on you tube you will have an armada of saint brigitta showing ridicoulos videos with music and animations but very little facts now that's the kind of job the cia, fbi , nsa do the best ridiculing a subject simply by flooding the free information resources with nonsense.

And these tactics are used everywhere in each blog or forum that deals with sensitive subjects.
You can recognize them very easily a debunker always protects the establisment in absurd proportions.
Like all the ones here around claiming nibiru is absolute bs and that the governments of this world are honest and promote liberty for their citizens .....

Please give a break with all the evil around us the symbols of the illuminati are everywhere on the banks, shops, schools, universities, military, hospitals, court rooms, the media, the news papers on television.

I mean it's like were living in alice in wonderland and people believe that there is no such thing as a rabbit hole.

So please keep watching the skies people you can only learn more by observing by educating yourselves.
The government is doing something that looks like educating it's people but ask yourself one simple question who wrote history anyway?

youcef wrote:If you look at the sky lately you could be fooled either by saturn or venus nevertheless it is absolutely normal that you can't spot nibiru with the naked eye right now in fact even in begin 2009 it will only be visible trough powerfull telescopes.

I happen to know which is which...I've also heard that Nibiru is the size if not bigger than Jupiter....I think we would have noticed it long ago. We would see the gravitational forces that this thing causes even now. Don't for get what we consider orbits...Earth orbits the so called earth year...further out Jupiter takes longer to obit because it's further out....

Distance.
Kepler's Laws of planetary motion are a mathematical way to determine the period of a planet (P) based on it's distance (a) where:
P^2 = a^3 (around an object the mass of our sun)
Above is Kepler's Third Law. Basically, because distance is increased, the gravitational interaction between two bodies is weaker, so Jupiter requires less momentum to maintain a stable orbit than earth.

Since Jupiter is farther away from the Sun than the Earth the pull of the Sun's gravity on Jupiter is less than the pull of the Sun's gravity on the earth, and the orbital speed required to balance the pull of the Sun's gravity on Jupiter is less than the orbital speed required to balance the pull of the Sun's gravity on the Earth.
If the orbital speed of Jupiter or the Earth was less than it is, the planet would long ago have been pulled into the Sun. If the orbital speed of Jupiter or the Earth was greater than it is, the planet would long ago have just flown off into space.

In which case if we can't see it now...then that must mean it's traveling at fantastic speeds to make it here by 2012...but for that to happen it would orbit in much less time than just 3600 of our Earth years. Also if it's traveling at those speeds it would have been sling shot right out into space billions of years ago. if it is going much slower we would see the thing coming now and probably be somewhere at the orbit of Neptune or Jupiter by now...in which case if it were slower it would have gone into the Sun Billions of years ago...ooops then again you might say well it'll only get closer much faster cause it's being pulled by the sun's gravity...if that were the case then slingshot would still be in effect...then flung out into space it goes.

I'm no scientist, but I can tell what kind of effect gravity has on things in the laws of motion...

flamedemon1137 wrote:i think you guys are just filling idiots like me's head with crap

i agree with flame and majority of the rest of you guys. but im new at this, i just got a laptop so idk much. if something like a meteorite was coming we see it so that rules that out. and in the Mayan calender(although they were advanced) did they know about leap years? if they didn't, then they could be years and centuries off. so unless they knew about leap years which i highly doubt, the supposed apocalypse is not in 2012, unless they got a psychic message, they are probably inaccurate( unless im wrong and they knew about it). but im not sure about the rest of the prophesies because i haven't seen many of them but we survived them before, we could do it again. if that really is president elect Obama, i hope that before 2012, you will tell america secrets that the government is hiding from us like if aliens are really in Area 51. obviously, people would be accused of high treason but those secrets or at least some are some we should know. like you said, superstitions and conspiracies are things that people try to make money off of, so show us that some things are not conspirecies let america know the truth about water gate, area 51, aliens, cures to incurable diseases, the presidents book(as seen in national treasure 2), ect. we need to know the truth and more. and back to the 2012 theories Nostredamus was born in 1502, and Columbus sailed in 1492. so Nostradamus could have heard about the Mayan theory from a chain of people in which the last person knew the ways of the Mayan which might not be probable. although im still researching, so email me some info that you have at littodamonte@sbcglobal.net

This Saturday there is a meteor shower in the north east sky because we are moving through a debris tail left by a comet a while back. Around 12/21/12 Eros is supposed to pass between our satellites and Earth so imagine the biblical fire in the sky results on the off chance that it happens. Our world is much older than our written history, but the only trace is ancient myths of destruction and buildings that are unnecessarily large and indestrucable. Read Graham Hancock

Guest wrote:

Planet X was orignally postulated to explain anomallys in the orbit of Neptune. In 1993, the mass of Neptune was re-calculated using data from Voyager 2. This reduced or value for the mass of Neptune by 0.5%, and removed any orbital anomalies. The unidentified objects from IRAS were also found to be distant galaxies. To date there is no evidence to suggest that planet X exists

That corroborates my information, but more succinctly than my source. Could you cite your reference? I'd like to have this handy for future debates, but I like to cite sources whenever possible.

So 17M 14M 8M 3M 7M+ flying out of the solar system missing earth?

Calthos wrote:

Guest wrote:

Planet X was orignally postulated to explain anomallys in the orbit of Neptune. In 1993, the mass of Neptune was re-calculated using data from Voyager 2. This reduced or value for the mass of Neptune by 0.5%, and removed any orbital anomalies. The unidentified objects from IRAS were also found to be distant galaxies. To date there is no evidence to suggest that planet X exists

That corroborates my information, but more succinctly than my source. Could you cite your reference? I'd like to have this handy for future debates, but I like to cite sources whenever possible.

http://forum.telescope.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=22

Calthos this is where i found it.

Calthos wrote:

Guest wrote:

Planet X was orignally postulated to explain anomallys in the orbit of Neptune. In 1993, the mass of Neptune was re-calculated using data from Voyager 2. This reduced or value for the mass of Neptune by 0.5%, and removed any orbital anomalies. The unidentified objects from IRAS were also found to be distant galaxies. To date there is no evidence to suggest that planet X exists

That corroborates my information, but more succinctly than my source. Could you cite your reference? I'd like to have this handy for future debates, but I like to cite sources whenever possible.

Never cite any source or identity.
Suppose there is a debunker around you could harm your source by revealing more data than is needed.
Besides why does this calthos needs a source for each bit of information anyway?

Its not coming. May b mayan Calender stoped at 2012 because umm may be because they ran out of papper?.