GOD exists no matter if you believe or not. JESUS THE CHRIST OF GOD which is himself in human form exists whether you believe or not. THE HOLY SPIRIT exists whether you believe it or not. THIS WAR now with GAZA and ISRAEL is in Malachi ch.1, Ezekiel 35, Obadiah vs 15-18 and Jeremiah 49. Fulfilled in our hearing and our very own lives. The Economic crisis that is all over the news lately is being fulfilled as you read this. The world is not going to be destroyed because then JESUS would not have a world to come back to. The world as WE know it will stop that is considered the end of the Age not the end of the world!!! Be at ease EVERYONE, as long as you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior you will be saved. SO simple but it is the hardest thing to do in life. The DEVIL's number one lie is to make and cause you to think that he does not exist....but surprised he does.

Think about it....OUT of all the most popular and most famous religious leader none we use as a curse word but JESUS of GOD and then put the D -A - M word after it...I have yet to hear when someone is upset and use GODS name in vain say; Buddha Dam or for Buddhas sake or Muhammad Dam or for Muhammad sakes!!! NO NO NO I always hear for Christ Sakes! OR JESUS! or GOD and then the D word after.

This is just one example out of many. Think about. EVERY TIME ISRAEL IS IN TROUBLE OR IN PROBLEMS OR GETS ATTACKED THE WHOLE WORLD GETS AFFECTED. THINK ABOUT IT THEIR IS A VERY GOOD REASON WHY....IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THEN BLOG ME............THE MINISTER.

theminister wrote:GOD exists no matter if you believe or not. JESUS THE CHRIST OF GOD which is himself in human form exists whether you believe or not. THE HOLY SPIRIT exists whether you believe it or not. THIS WAR now with GAZA and ISRAEL is in Malachi ch.1, Ezekiel 35, Obadiah vs 15-18 and Jeremiah 49. Fulfilled in our hearing and our very own lives. The Economic crisis that is all over the news lately is being fulfilled as you read this. The world is not going to be destroyed because then JESUS would not have a world to come back to. The world as WE know it will stop that is considered the end of the Age not the end of the world!!! Be at ease EVERYONE, as long as you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior you will be saved. SO simple but it is the hardest thing to do in life. The DEVIL's number one lie is to make and cause you to think that he does not exist....but surprised he does.

Think about it....OUT of all the most popular and most famous religious leader none we use as a curse word but JESUS of GOD and then put the D -A - M word after it...I have yet to hear when someone is upset and use GODS name in vain say; Buddha Dam or for Buddhas sake or Muhammad Dam or for Muhammad sakes!!! NO NO NO I always hear for Christ Sakes! OR JESUS! or GOD and then the D word after.

This is just one example out of many. Think about. EVERYTIME ISRAEL IS IN TROUBLE OR IN PROBLEMS OR GETS ATTACED THE WHOLE WORLD GETS AFFECTED. THINK ABOUT IT THEIR IS A VERY GOOD REASON WHY....IF YOU WANT TO KNOW THEN BLOG ME............THE MINISTER.

Personally i agree with you.
However...I dont know if you have heard about this.But in a book entitled
"The Jesus Dynasty" By James D. Tabor, Mr.Tabor has introduced new evidence that suggests that Jesus's real father was actually a roman soldier named "Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera".
Mary,mother of Jesus,at the ripe old age of 14,was entered into a marriage contract with Joseph by her parents.But when he found out that Mary was already pregnant and no longer a virgin,he decided to take her to Jerusalem from Nazareth to have the illegitimate child. It is also believed that Joseph never fathered any children of his own...and that Mary being bound by tradition married Josephs brother Clophas(Levirate marriage or yibbum in Hebrew and required in the Torah.)Who fathered Jesus's brother James (who took over after Jesus died)as well as his other brothers Joses and Simon and 2 sisters.
It is not certain if Mary had an actual affair and became pregnant or was in fact raped by the roman soldier.But if this is true then this would mean that Jesus was not actually the son of God as described in the bible.
Also, recent studies also seem to point to John the Baptizer as being the actual person responsible for the Christianity movement and that Jesus was baptized by John and considered by Jesus to be his teacher.Much of this new evidence comes from actual archeological digs and excavations in which Caves were found with drawings depicting John the Baptizer.
So in reality,this could mean that the whole Jesus story as we know it is wrong.In fact,Luke took much of what he had written in his gospel from the book of Mark and from a person called Q.And in fact left out or re-wrote much of what was actually written in Mark in order to disguise the fact that John had baptized Jesus.In the book of John it is completely left out.
When John the Baptizer and Jesus walked the earth,they actually believed that the apocalypse would take place within 490 years.This is the message they taught to their followers.Jesus was a descendant of David,and entitled to sit on the throne as King of the Jews.He was of the Davidic bloodline in which God had stated would rule over Israel.But Herod had jesus killed when Jesus and John the Baptizer showed that their movement was growing across the country and out of fear that he would lose control over the public Herod had Jesus crucified so that he could not over throw him and take his rightful place on the throne.
In any event,this would all mean that Jesus was just a mortal man,who tried to build on his bloodline in order to take control of the country to force out the Romans.
Which could if true mean that the whole Second coming belief found in scripture is just a tale made up by those who want to make Jesus into the Savior that we have come to know him as.Instead of just a man.
Read the Book if you can find it,(check your local Library).It is worth reading.
The Alien

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Ah...yep...Ok...yeah...mate are you alright?!?!?!?????
You're saying Jesus, God, etc...exists whether you believe it or not...hmmm...I'm a bit speechless now, I'm still wondering if you actually believe any of what you said...?

I find that when discussing God, Israel, 2012, etc...with people like you then its best to not try and rant back, or try and destroy their entire belief system or even launch into a carefully constructed argument with the goal of taling their statements apart piece by piece.

I find its best to logically point to one single little thing in their ridiculous rave which is completely ludicrious and tear it apart so viciously they can't possibly defend it and have to (wether they say it or not) admit to themselves (in the head atleast) that they were wrong about something.

So here goes...

YOU'RE SAYING ISRAEL'S PROBLEMS ALWAYS AFFECT THE WHOLE WORLD? MAY I POINT OUT THAT THE CURRENT GLOBAL ECONOMIC CRISIS WAS STARTED THREE MONTHS BEFORE ISRAEL'S INCURSION INTO GAZA! TEL AVIV AND GAZA HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CURRENT ECONOMIC SITUATION!!!!!

I've studied phycology, and I know you'll never change you'll beliefs, I myself am wavering between militant agnostic and staunch atheist, but hopefully pointing out one little hole in your badly patched old quilt of an argument will calm you down a bit.

Amen,

Thank you so much!!!! I couldn't have said it any better.
Now let's just pray that someone has 'ears to hear'.

Good luck with that minister.
But I don't need your god.
We get ourselves into trouble here on earth, and it is OUR RESPONSIBILITY to get ourselves through it.
This world will never get better thanks to those who do nothing but believe in a god. Those that preach as though the world never had a chance in the first place! DEFEATISM - grow up, get over yourself.
The people who get out there, see the problems, and go about fixing them - that's the only thing I can have faith in.
About time we humans grew up and started answering to OURSELVES instead of passing the buck onto a damned fairytale entity.
There is a real world out there, and a real life to be lived - the only one your gonna get before you die and are gone forever. Why not focus on making a better world for your children, instead of just sitting by and teaching them that their future is already written. Quite the way to crush the human spirit - not liberate it.
Humans can be better than this, as long as we give ourselves a chance to be all we can. When half of us are taught about Armageddon, and hell, from a young age - all that's getting reinforced is FEAR.

For a religious person to challenge their beliefs is to challenge their fears - of death, of damnation, of a big scary world and an unknown future that is beyond the control of an individual. Get em when they're young, or when they're down and don't want to confront reality anymore, and you've made a believer.
And that's what I'm seeing in your rant, an attempt at indoctrination by preying on peoples fears over current world events. Don't face the problems, your saying - just let it happen, its inevitable. Pathetic.
Crawl back in your hole.

I had a friend once who thought God was an empty coke can.But after it was accidentally crushed he began worshiping an aloe vera plant.
So I guess as long as you feel the need to believe in something,then what or who it is really doesnt matter as long as its working for you.
I have wondered at times what the after life in a Coca Cola heaven would have been like...

The Alien

As for this 2012 conspiracy i do not belive god is the answer. Time itself will be the answer. I cant believe in god because of 7th grade physics and commonsence. Im sure you wish for me to elaborate. 7th grade physics along with 11th grade anatomy teaches me that without a nevous system i can not feel. Therefore i will be immune to the 'flames of hell'. Commonsence taught me that even if i made it to heaven, I have many loved ones that would not meet the requirements. Therefore Heaven would not be an enjoyable place for me for i would know noone. I must agree with the previous poster in saying its time to grow up.

My birth date is 12/21 at 11-11 grenich mean time, what does this mean?

Here are a few quotes that kinda sum up my thoughts on religion - ANY religion, not just Christianity.
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion." - Robert M. Pirsig
"The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next." - Ralph W. Emerson
"The Christian God is a being of terrific character - cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust." - Thomas Jefferson
"Assertions without evidence can be dismissed without argument." - Unknown
"...when asked whether I am an atheist I have to point out that the questioner is also an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Mithras, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I just go one god further." - Richard Dawkins
On a personal level, I equate "God" with Santa Claus. You can't see Him but He is always watching. He knows when you're naughty or nice, and if you're naughty you get no present/burn in hell, if you're good you get presents/heaven.
Parents use Santa to keep kids in line, using a subtle fear that they will get no presents if they are bad.
Governments of old needed something like that to keep the peasants in line - so "the fear of God" was born.
For the 'believers" out there, please do some research into your own religion before blindly asserting your "facts" and certainty of God and his happy band of misfits.
Cheers!

Many “old souls,” masters, adepts, philosophers, and sages, past & present have clairvoyantly verified the existence of the multi-dimensional aspect of the Logos known as the “Ancient of days” & “Sanat Kumara,” also known as the “One who wields the Rod of Power” (see below) during initiation ceremonies at His etheric retreat in Shamballa, and is also attended by His Consort [most important other half], as well as the Heavenly Host.

Daniel 7:
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the firey flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A firey stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgement was set, and the books were opened.

Ezekiel 1:
26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.

Revelation 1:
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

And from the Book of Enoch 14:
10 They elevated me aloft to heaven. I proceeded until I arrived at a wall built with stones of crystal. A vibrating flame surrounded it, which began to strike me with terror.
11 Into this vibrating flame I entered;
12 And drew nigh to a spacious habitation built also with stones of crystal. Its walls too, as well as pavement were formed with stones of crystal, and crystal likewise was the ground. Its roof had the appearance of agitated stars and flashes of lightning; and among them were cherubim of fire in a stormy sky. A flame burned around its walls, and its portal blazed with fire. When I entered into this dwelling, it was hot as fire and cold as ice. No trace of delight or of life was there. Terror overwhelmed me, and a fearful shaking seized me.
13 Violently agitated and trembling, I fell upon my face. In the vision I looked,
14 And behold there was another habitation more spacious than the former, every entrance to which was open before me, erected in the midst of a vibrating flame.
15 So greatly did it excel in all points, in glory, in magnificence, and in magnitude, that it is impossible to describe to you either the splendour or the extent of it.
16 Its floor was on fire; above were lightnings and agitated stars, while its roof exhibited a blazing fire.
17 Attentively I surveyed it, and saw that it contained and exalted throne;
18 The appearance of which was like that of frost; while its circumference resembled the orb of the brilliant sun; and there was the voice of the cherubim.
19 From underneath this mighty throne rivers of flaming fire issued.
20 To look upon it was impossible.
21 One great in glory sat upon it:
22 Whose robe was brighter than the sun, and whiter than snow.†
† Forbidden Mysteries of Enoch: 102-103.

Here is what the great Neo-Platonist, Plotinus, had to say:
“Many times it has happened: lifted out of the body into myself; becoming external to all other things; beholding a marvelous beauty; then more than ever, assured of community with the loftiest order; living the noblest life, acquiring identity with the Divine; poised above whatsoever is less than the Supreme; yet there comes the moment of descent, and after that sojourn in the Divine I ask myself how it happens that I can now be descending, and how did the soul ever enter my body, the soul which, even within the body, is the high thing it has shown itself to be. . . .
In the Cavern of Plato and the Cave of Empedocles I discern this universe, where the breaking of the fetters and the ascent from the depths are figures of the wayfaring of the soul towards the Intellectual Realm [Heaven]. In the Phadrus Plato makes a failing of the wings the cause of entry to this world; there are judgments, fates, and necessities driving other souls down to this order.
In all these explanations he finds guilt in the arrival of soul at body [it is called the “Cycle of Necessity” or “the Wheel of the law” in Hinduism and Buddhism, and is due to bad Karma-no one escapes retribution: interfere in someone else’s life, and your life will be interfered with in a similar manner the next time around]. But treating in the Timaeus of our universe he exalts it [the soul] and calls it a blessed god and holds that Soul was given it [existence/consciousness] by the goodness of the Creator to the end that the total of things might be possessed of intellect, for thus it cannot be except through Soul. In the same way the soul of each of us is sent that the universe may be complete.
This is how we come to read in the Phadrus that our soul, entering into association with that complete Soul and itself thus made perfect, walks the lofty ranges, and that as long as it is neither inbound to body nor held in any sort of servitude, so long it tranquilly bears its part in the governance of the All, exactly like the World-Soul itself; for it suffers no hurt whatever by furnishing body with the power to existence, since not every form of care for the inferior need wrest the providing Soul from its own sure standing in the Highest. . . .
Thus in sum, the Soul, a divine being and a dweller in the loftier realms, has entered body: it is a god,‡ a later phase of the Divine: but, under stress of its powers and of its tendency to bring order to its next lower, it penetrates to this sphere in a voluntary plunge: if it turns back quickly all is well; it will have taken no hurt by acquiring the knowledge of evil and coming to understand what sin is, by bringing its forces into manifest play, by exhibiting those activities and productions which, remaining merely potential in the unembodied, might as well never have been even there, if destined never to come into actuality. . .”±
‡ In corroboration with this: “I have said Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High” (Psalm 82:6). “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” (St. John 10:34). King James Version.
± The Essence of Plotinus: 146-149 (Note: These extracts from the Enneads of Plotinus are from Book IV, Eighth Tractate: The Soul’s Descent into Body).

And the following is a beautifully esoteric description of the 4th initiation, or attainment of Adept, that every soul (with a few exceptions) eventually attains to. It is written in the ancient language of Pali on palm leaves and was translated into English by the Tibetan, Djwhal Khul.

Stanzas of Dzyan
Stanza VII

“Riseth the cave† of beauty rare, of color iridescent. Shineth the walls with azure tint, bathed in the light of rose. The blending shade of blue irradiates the whole and all is merged in gleeming.
Within the cave of iridescent color, within its arching circle, standeth the fivefold‡ One demanding further light. He struggleth for expansion, he wrestleth towards the day. The five demand the greater Sixth and Seventh. The surrounding beauty meeteth not the need. The inner warmth sufficeth but to feed the urge for fire.
The Lords of Flame look on; they chant aloud: “The time is come, that time for which We wait. Let the Flame become the Fire and let the light shine forth.”
The effort of the Flame within the crystal cave becometh ever greater. The cry goes forth for other aid from other Flaming Souls. The response comes.
The Lord of Flame, The Ancient One, the Mighty Lord of Fire, the Point of Blue within the hidden diamond, the Youth of Timeless Aeons,§ assisteth in the work. The inner burning light and the outer waiting fire,-together with the Rod,-meet on the sphere of crystal, and lo, the work is done. The crystal rends and quivers.
Seven times the work proceeds. Seven the efforts made. Seven the applications of the Rod, held by a Lord of Flame. Three are the lesser touches; four the divine assistance. At the final fourth the work is done and the whole cave disrupts. The lighted flame within spreads through the rending walls. It mounteth to its source. Another fire is merged; another point of blue findeth its place within the diadem logoic.”±
† Causal body
‡ A human being is fivefold (3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th rays) in manifestation, which is veiled by the five-pointed star.
± A Treatise on Cosmic Fire: 22-23.

These are a few things that might convince some people of the existence of God, or the “One in Whom we live, and move, and have are being” as referred to by St. Paul. There is a multitude of other evidence that can given, but I’ve put out enough here in one sitting, for sure.
Best regards from down under!
Dean Sloan – Theosophical Metaphysicist
http://www.qdeansloan.com

References:

Shamballa:
http://www.hiddenhistoryhumanity.com/43%20Esoteric%20History%20IIIa%20SthAmMayaShamBraz.htm