England Templar wrote:Hope is a meaningless emotion because its fruits are always in the future and, by definition, never in the NOW.

I don't believe in the god of the bible, but I also don't believe hope is a meaningless emotion. Have you ever heard the expression, "Without hope, all is lost."?
This is very true. You can't tell me you never experience hope. If you say you haven't then you're lying, either to us or yourself.

Personal GOD does not exist. Energy does exist. When nothing was there at that point energy was there. That energy was formless. There was no space and time. If at all we need a concept of GOD then I think the energy is the GOD. Without existence of energy there is no big bang.

fuzoid wrote:Bassman, that's just the problem, you came here to proselytize, to save some souls. And since they don't, or refuse to, believe as you do, you say that are not willing to hear the truth. Do you remember what we discussed about the arrogance of Christian dogma? This is a perfect example of it. Do not take this the wrong way because I know you didn't mean it in this way. But it just can't be helped because arrogance is inherent in the dogma of all religions.

As you probably know, the Bible says, knowledge can lead to arrogance. Because I'm so confident in what I believe it may seem like arrogance. If we were to sit down and have a cup of coffee and discuss this subject, I wouldn't sound arrogant. My intent on here was not to save souls. Its impractical to do that here. Like I said, unbelievers are on here asking questions. I don't see the harm in giving them my opinion. Eternity is at stake. This is not to be taken lightly. IMHO. BTW. I went to your website. Very cool. I recommend it to others.

s wrote:Personal GOD does not exist. Energy does exist. When nothing was there at that point energy was there. That energy was formless. There was no space and time. If at all we need a concept of GOD then I think the energy is the GOD. Without existence of energy there is no big bang.

So you are a pantheist?

fuzoid wrote:Bassman, that's just the problem, you came here to proselytize, to save some souls. And since they don't, or refuse to, believe as you do, you say that are not willing to hear the truth. Do you remember what we discussed about the arrogance of Christian dogma? This is a perfect example of it. Do not take this the wrong way because I know you didn't mean it in this way. But it just can't be helped because arrogance is inherent in the dogma of all religions.

Bassman3223 wrote:As you probably know, the Bible says, knowledge can lead to arrogance. Because I'm so confident in what I believe it may seem like arrogance.

With all due respect, it is arrogance. But as you admitted, you are confident of what you believe in which is why you don't see it as such. I'm going to backquote you so you'll have a better perspective:

There are too many willing people our there ready to hear the truth, for us to waste our time on those who are not willing to research the evidence..

Your above statement tells me two things. 1) You alone hold the exclusive truth, to the exclusion of all others. 2) You could care less about the truth of others. This is the very definition of arrogance!

Actually your above statement tells me three things. But we haven't come to that part yet.

If we were to sit down and have a cup of coffee and discuss this subject, I wouldn't sound arrogant.

Uh, yes it would! In fact, if you and I had this conversation over a cup of coffee and you made the above statement, I probably would have walked off. Why? Because if I stuck around I probably would say a few choice words I wouldn't mean. I would hate to lose you as a friend over something that can't be proven.

My intent on here was not to save souls. Its impractical to do that here. Like I said, unbelievers are on here asking questions. I don't see the harm in giving them my opinion.

I have no objections to your sharing your opinion. Heck, I encourage it! But if unbelievers are here asking questions, why do state, There are too many willing people our there ready to hear the truth, for us to waste our time on those who are not willing to research the evidence..? How do you know these unbelievers haven't already researched what you call evidence? You already know I have and I'm an unbeliever, of religions that is. Just out of curiosity, how much of the evidence I presented have you researched? Do you understand the point I'm making?

And in case anyone is wondering, the evidence I'm talking about is not in any of these forum threads. Bassman and I have had a very intelligent and cordial debate via PM's, without the tit for tat postings you see in this forum. I highly recommend it to anyone truly wanting to carry on a conversation without interruptions. I digress...

Anyway, the third thing I get from your above statement is that you were trying to convert. Had it simply been a conversation exchanging ideas, you would not have had the need to state you are wasting your time. So maybe you weren't consciously trying to save. But subconsiously you were.

Eternity is at stake. This is not to be taken lightly. IMHO.

While I completely understand you do not take eternity lightly, others may see it differently, as do I. BTW, for someone not trying to save souls, you sure seem awfully concerned about their eternity. And while I do appreciate your concern, it is not warranted, IMHO. But thank you just the same.

BTW. I went to your website. Very cool. I recommend it to others.

Thanks! I try to keep it updated but sometimes it gets a bit overwhelming. Especially when I spend so much time here. That's one of the reasons I'm grateful this forum has a slower pace than others. Anyway, while I updated the playlist yesterday, I didn't find the time to update the comments. I'll probably do that tonight.

Have you checked out the music of Neal Morse yet? As mentioned, it's progressive Christian rock with kicka** music. As the founder of Spock's Beard, when I saw Neal had released solo material I just had to add it to my collection. But when I received the first CD, One, I thought Amazon had made a mistake. The first thought that went through my mind was, "I didn't order any Christian music, so what gives?" But since it was Neal, I stuck it in the CD player and was blown away. I now own almost every one of his solo releases. I just tune out the lyrics.

If you're interested, I can email you a sample of one of his songs so you can hear before you buy. That's if you like prog rock.

fuzoid
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Fool wrote:

s wrote:Personal GOD does not exist. Energy does exist. When nothing was there at that point energy was there. That energy was formless. There was no space and time. If at all we need a concept of GOD then I think the energy is the GOD. Without existence of energy there is no big bang.

So you are a pantheist?

I believe we are all energy living in a body, sampling life and its richness and sensations before returning to a world devoid of all physical sensation and sound.

i think you are wrong.
i know there is no religion
no gods goddesses or hero's
they were created to control people and make them do what other people wanted
people back then tried to make up things to make everyday life easier
and how come there are no modern gods/goddesses
because there never were any
i am a guesser
i can predict things better than anyone
and i no for a fact that there is and never were any gods/goddesses
take my advice
i also predict the world will end in 2012
none will survive...
and if you think i am joking
then you don't know what i am

please do not fall for religion
go outside and say Aeolus
did the wind suddenly move?
that means greeks were right about gods
if it didn't then find another god/goddess of another religion and test what happens if you say their name to their element

predictor wrote:i think you are wrong.
i know there is no religion
no gods goddesses or hero's
they were created to control people and make them do what other people wanted
people back then tried to make up things to make everyday life easier
and how come there are no modern gods/goddesses
because there never were any
i am a guesser
i can predict things better than anyone
and i no for a fact that there is and never were any gods/goddesses
take my advice
i also predict the world will end in 2012
none will survive...
and if you think i am joking
then you don't know what i am

I'm sorry, but if you're trying to sound mystic and mysterious, you have just failed totally. You just sound sad.

ladiiepink wrote:Actually, God does exist. How did we come to earth and how did animals come to earth? How come when we need help and we are in an emergency some of us pray for father (God) to help us and then the next day we get better our family or friends get better. How come when I pray and I'm almost about to have the school call acs on my mother for being absent 30 times. I prayed to God for them not to do it and u know what happened? The school forgot my name and forgot I was in that school. I kept going to school because of God now. I go to school 24/7 after that day. Now I might be able to move to the 9th grade thanks to God. Well, this is all I gotta say. Thank you God and do not listen to these people that don't believe in you and bring who u think should be in heaven and send them to heaven.........now I know why I'm in this house for a reason to see what life is and how it feels to be respected and disrespected by someone and go through problems. I can now see how the people back in the days felt........now I understand alot.....and I hope everybody reads this.

Yup, Eve and Adam were the first people created. God told them not to eat an apple from a tree. The devil bit the apple that Eve gave to Adam. Now if she didn't do that we would live in peace with our god................he exists and he will take all the good people to heaven and the evil will be taken to a place where they will suffer for eternity. amen, may god forgive us and you for saying that god does not exist.