I will pray for you, you have an over active imagination and who are you anyway to decide this is what happened are you the leader of this hierarchy, and for those who don't believe there is proof open your eyes look at mount Ararat where Noahs ark lies, the bible states the length and width of this ship and it is exact and the dating of the ship is exact what aren't you people seeing if the earth had .01 less or more gravity we wouldn't be here if the sun was.01 closer or farther away we wouldn't be here 65% scientist believe in GOD because they cannot prove him wrong, if your trying to be different and bold then stop and see the truth none of this is mere coincidence so don't be afraid to believe in GOD because hes real, to us seeing is believing and what would be the point of him showing us himself for satisfaction, just have faith.

Dear England Templar,

What amazes me about people who don't believe in God is how "Angry" you all are.....anger just oozes from your hearts and hatred spews from your mouths. What has happened to make you sooo angry?

I tell you what, I have every reason to be angry---but I'm not--people call me a joy and an inspiraton: my own mother abandoned me and & my 2 younger brothers when I was 4 years old---she left us for dead while our father lay in hospital recovering from the knife wound she inflicted into his back. I spent 14 years in foster care system-being moved over 26 times in 14 years---I was raped; I was beaten up by my fiance', then later, the man I married pulled a gun out on me then burned my house down leaving me & our 2 children homeless.....I know that God exists because of His unconditional provisions for us---that was 7 years ago & God has been more than faithful in being my Father-my Provider-my Rock and my Shelter.....He introduced Himself to me when I was 5 years old-telling me to cling to Him and I never let go...Why does He help some and not others, BELIEF....If my children disowned me and hated me, how could help them when they're in trouble---you unbelievers close God out of your lives--He never walked away from you,,,,,You never let him in.....

Turn all that anger into something positive----this website has people with love reaching out to people like you who live, breathe and speak anger.....You say that God doesn't exist----He does, He's trying to touch your heart through the words of people who care---but you're too angry to hear it......

What a waste of time and energy----God is love--let the people around you show you His great love for you.....really, why are you soooo Angry.....

UCMEFLY wrote:God most certainly does exist..Jesus Christ The Lord and Savior of this world does exist..it is the devil's mission to turn everyone he can away from the truth. Mayans were highly intellectual people but that doesn't say they were from another planet. That's pretty funny tho..The miracles that people witnessed Jesus perform were done in faith of the Holy Spirit..Faith is believing in what you cannot see. The devil has done his job with you England Templar, I don't know where you get your information from, but Hollywood is hiring. I've felt the love of Jesus surround me and enter me until I cannot stand through intense worship and faith in God..God still is madly in love with everyone and even Him gets his heart broken. I refuse to believe in evolution like we are some sort of random accident. Even scientists confirm our place in the solar system is the Goldylocks meaning perfect placement from the sun (not to hot, not too cold). So if there were no God and no afterlife, there is no difference from Mother Theresa and Hitler. Or Kobe Bryant and Saddam Huessain. That would mean as long as i don't get caught, i could kill everybody and anybody i wanted too with no consequences besides the laws of the Earth. I refuse to believe that. Besides, Jesus fulfilled hundreds prophecies made thousands of years before he was born. That is seeing the faith with my own eyes if you ask me. I don't know a lot, but there is nothing anyone can say that can change my mind about life and my life. I am different from Hitler, we do not share the same fate of infinite nothingness when we die. F-that!

AMEN TO THAT!

psalms14:1 wrote:Psalms 14:1
"The fool says in his heart, there is no God"

AMEN!

Soul

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In many religions and parts of philosophy, the soul is the immaterial part of a person. It is usually thought to consist of one's thoughts and personality, and can be synonymous with the spirit, mind or self.[1] In theology, the soul is often believed to live on after the person’s death, and some religions posit that God creates souls. In some cultures, non-human living things, and sometimes inanimate objects are said to have souls, a belief known as animism.[2]

This seems to be a fairly accurate description of the accepted definition. And I direct your attention to the first sentence. Or more specifically, "the soul is the immaterial part of a person." What is the person? Is it the body or is it their consciousness? In my opinion, it is consciousness.

Lol i did get a little carried away with the explanation of how the mind works, im only human.

Yes, we are. Or at least I was the last time I checked. I have my doubts about some people though.

I shruged this the first time cause i assumed you wanted me to present actuall fact, wanted me to do away with my dogmatic views. So i provided real scientific fact.

I would never want you to do away with your dogmatic views. It's people like you that help to keep me grounded (most of the time ). However, I do have a problem with someone portraying something as an absolute with nothing to back it up regardless the topic (not that implying anything here). Besides, the holographic universe theory is about as legitimate a theory gets. And with more and more evidence coming to light, in my opinion, it will soon be confirmed. BTW, I have never heard of science being described in factual terms. I always understood it to be the best representative description based on the evidence at hand providing it passes repeatable testing.

Things that are tangible, things that go by most of the five sences that most of us use daily.

Understood. Most people have a hard time grasping what they can't discern through the normal five senses. I include myself at one point in my past.

So i have come to the conclusion that you just want my opinion on the holographic theory.

Not so much your opinion. You know the ol' saying, opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one. No, I was more interested in your professional opinion as a physicist who believes in a creator (whatever IT may be).

While studing this theory is asks more questions than it answers the further you dig.

Yes, at first. But if you keep at it, not only does it answer the questions it raised, but it answers a lot more that it didn't!

Now im not going to say that it is useless cause it provides what we like to call probability. The assumption that a partical, inanimate object, or even a planet would do something other than what it was when you looked at it is a bit farfetched for me. It falls in that same category that God could have made everything or it could have just happend on its own. For something to notice that your observing it, and make a rational decision to change when you look at it is an animate object.

While I understand the point you're making, I was not actually referring to an object, whatever it is and regardless its size, to do something different when observed. But I have read some physicists describe particles as "appearing to be aware." And the act of observation can and does influence the outcome of an experiment. What I was actually referring to is the encoded data within the interferrence patterns of a hologram. As mentioned, matter has a dual nature (wave/particle), and theory states that the particle state of matter does not reveal itself until observed. The wave/particle is doing nothing different, it is your consciousness that makes sense out of it all. Just as a laser reveals the encoded 3D image out of the meaningless swirls of interferrence patterns, so does our consciousness, IMHO. It's for this very reason the Hindu, Sanskrit, and mystics of all persuasions claim "All is maya (illusion)."

Another rather interesting quirk of holograms is you can encode an entirely different image on an existing hologram by changing the angle of the recording medium. I'm not sure what the limit is, but all images captured as a hologram on the same medium can be viewed independently of each other. In SciFi lingo, this would be like more than one dimension occupying the same space. In any event, look for computer related holographic recording devices for virtually unlimited storage capacity in the near future. And thanks to Alain Aspect and quantum entanglement, quantum computers are also on the horizon.

Oh, and let's not forget a holographic universe solves the apparant incompatibility issue between Relativity and Quantum Mechanics.

David Bohm was a very intelligent quantum pysicist, altho i still question some aspects of his theories.

You're in good company.

As for consciousness, since you clearly have a different view of what it is. I will share the two different types provided by Wikipedia.org

Phenomenal consciousness: is simply experience; it is moving, coloured forms, sounds, sensations, emotions and feelings with our bodies and responses at the center.

Access consciousness: is the phenomenon whereby information in our minds is accessible for verbal report, reasoning, and the control of behavior.

It does appear we do have a different definition for consciousness. While you view it as the byproduct of the brain, I view it as our very essence on the spiritual level. Some would call it a soul.

Last i checked an out of body experience is not considered a conscious state, but to be fair I will once again rely on Wikipedia.org to give the answer.

An out-of-body experience: (OBE or sometimes OOBE), is an experience that typically involves a sensation of floating outside of one's body and, in some cases, perceiving one's physical body from a place outside one's body (autoscopy). The term out of body experience was introduced by Robert Monroe in 1971[1] as a bias-free alternative to belief-centric labels such as "astral projection" or "spirit walking". Though the term usefully distances researchers from scientifically problematic concepts such as the soul, scientists still know little about the phenomenon.[2] One in ten people has an out-of-body experience at some time in their lives[3]. OBEs are often part of the near-death experience, and reportedly may also lead to astral projection. Those who have experienced OBEs sometimes claim to have observed details which were unknown to them beforehand.[4]

Scott-

Astrophisicist-

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/

What you refer to as the conscious state, I call the awake state. And you're correct, [most] OBE's do not occur when one is in the awake state. But you would be incorrect to claim ALL OBE's. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence of people experiencing spontaneous OBE's while awake. In fact, Dr. Raymond Moody, who coined the term Near Death Experience, claims to have built a device which will produce an OBE in a fully awake person. I don't remember the specifics of the device and would need to dig out the book to find them. But if you're interested I'll be more than happy to.

Think about it! If physicist Craig Hogan and the German GEO600 team do build a more sensitive detector and do confirm that our universe is a hologram being projected from the event horizon of our universe, then who or what is doing the projecting, and why? And why are we all participants? And who the hell wrote the plot? I, for one, would have written a much happier one. The current author needs a good hard whack off side ITs head (if it has one)

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79894588784 wrote:I will pray for you, you have an over active imagination and who are you anyway to decide this is what happened are you the leader of this hierarchy, and for those who don't believe there is proof open your eyes look at mount Ararat where Noahs ark lies, the bible states the length and width of this ship and it is exact and the dating of the ship is exact what aren't you people seeing if the earth had .01 less or more gravity we wouldn't be here if the sun was.01 closer or farther away we wouldn't be here 65% scientist believe in GOD because they cannot prove him wrong, if your trying to be different and bold then stop and see the truth none of this is mere coincidence so don't be afraid to believe in GOD because hes real, to us seeing is believing and what would be the point of him showing us himself for satisfaction, just have faith.

Ah, the Ararat Anomaly

Its not proven to be anything yet. Its the right size, but its covered in ice. Could it JUST POSSIBLY be a natural formation of rock and ice???

Also, the kicker, this anomaly rests almost 4000 meters above sea level. If all of the ice on this planet, the antartic, artic regions melted, sea levels would rise about 70 meters. What happened to the other 3930 odd meters? Why would the crew of this ship haul it all the way up the mountain range to its present position??? How would they do it, when climbers today won't attempt the ascent over extremely dangerous terrain, and thats just them and their gear, not thousands of tons of ark?

Also, did you know the earth's distance from the sun varies by over 3% between the perihelion and apohelion of it's orbit? A difference of about 5 million kilometres.
If things were different, we would not be here. But perhaps something else would. There are a nameless number of planets out there in the universe, the odds are good that there will be many planets able to support life, this planet is one of them.

None of this stuff proves god. The universe is a certain way, and we are a result of that. Perhaps there are lifeforms nearby breathing ammonia saying ' if our moon was a little further from that gas giant, we wouldn't be here'

Please show me where you heard that 65% of scientists believe in something because they cannot prove it doesn't exist. I'd like to see that one, as it is a completely un-scientific statement.

All you have is faith - and Ill leave you to it.

psalms14:1 wrote:
What amazes me about people who don't believe in God is how "Angry" you all are.....anger just oozes from your hearts and hatred spews from your mouths. What has happened to make you sooo angry?

This is not always true. Most of those who really are angry more than likely lost their faith due to an event that was tramatic, and are upset that 'God' or whatever the religon's Supreme being is, didnt give them the support or comfort threw that process. I wouldn't consider myself angry cause I dont feel that I was ever let down. I did practice Christianity in my preteen and teen years. Went to church every Sunday,Wednesday, and a bible study on Thursday. During this time i read a great portion of the bible. To me it was like a 'well ok whatever' kind of situation, i found many flaws but was not about to doubt them cause God may not have let me in heaven. I soon lost my faith due to science.

Many would say that i was blessed in life cause im married have two children and a six figure income. But saying that to me would provoke me to tell you the truth. I worked for everything I have. I get to spend about 20hours a week with my family and never have time to spend money. There are two sides to everything, even tho my life looks like it is great, its not all as joyfull as it seems. I live with this cause its what i wanted and the pros do out weigh the cons. My children have the chance to attend colledge if they wish and will be supported no matter what choice they make. I will be able to retire in about five years and will live happily ever after.

After reading the discription of your life i could not help but to feel sorry for you. And im not going to say that your life is an example of God not existing cause i get the reasoning of God not being able to help everyone. But i will say that if i myself were in that situation i would not relly on god to get me threw it. I would take action myself to get me threw it. I know fear keeps people from rationalizing things and making the best decision. All due respect, this seems to me to be the problem with both your life and your religion.

I wish you the best in your life and hope you have the courage to strive for better.

Scott-
Astrophisicist-
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/

UMWHATEVER wrote:Um, Yeah that doesn't even make any sense...

I agree... To the person/persons who say that God doesn't exist, i say this: it is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for this universe to exist, without it having been created, and almost as impossible for life of ANY sort to come about purely by chance, i.e. the religion of evolution. Let me repeat: MATHEMATICALLY impossible. NOT scientifically alone. Science can be disproved, but mathematics, controls ALL of our so called sciences. They cannot be measured: Math can and is. Here is the proof. The things we call 'living organisms," can only be called living under a certain reins of conditions. Without naming or debating these, which is science, I state that nobody really knows what life "is", only how it works and reproduces, and functions, etc. Scientists are unsure how life started, and ON THEIR OWN TERMS life would have HAD to be generated by pure chance. that is right: life can only arrive from previous life! Therefore the various EXTREMELY intricate parts of this first life form, would have been, in their theory, assembled by various atoms/molecules, assembling at random. This is difficult because in order to get the first thing started, we need DNA. In order to synthesize this however, a group of protein molecules must work together with several other parts of the cell, to get things rolling for that first, superlatively simple life form to start "evolving" into other life forms. This is where the math trumps the so called science... let me explain: according to scientists, the universe is approximately 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 seconds old 10^(19)... 1 with 19 zeros after. Actually this is far more then they "estimate" but to show it cannot happen, I guessed long by about 1000% They also claim that there are 10^(80) atoms in the universe... yep! A 1 with 80 (eighty) zeros in it, atoms in the universe... but just in case some of them are really big atoms... ill say 10^(83): 1000 times more than they say, just to prove that same point again. They say that the number of possible reactions these make with each other in each of these 10^(19) seconds of universe history, is 1,000,000,000,000 (10^(12)) times. Lets say 10^(17) just in case the universe had ADHD... That is 100 times more activity then they have said. Lost? OK... lets reiterate: I am Guessing HIGHER then their guesses, to show that no matter how many figures the put there in 'science', God has made math to show that their guesses are impossible even then. So, under this ridiculously high estimation, we are left with 10^(83) atoms in the universe, reacting, exploding, fusing, splitting, etc, 10^(17) times every second, for the last 10^(19) seconds of history. (more then 100 billion years). That is, mathematically stated, 10^(85) times 10^(17) times 10^(19) which Mathematically yields 10^(120). The problem lies herein: A statitian calculated the MATHEMATICAL PROBABILITY of ---1--- count it ---1--- relatively short protein molecule to assemble at random, and it needs 10^(130) trials to be successfully assembled, or a chance of 1/10^(130)!!!!!!! If you know anything at all about mathematics, you would be in shock right now because USING SCIENTISTS LEADING FIGURES, EXAGGERATING THEM, AND COMPARING THE MATH RESULTS, THE MATHEMATICAL PROBABILITY FOR EVEN ONE EXTREMELY SHORT molecule of protein assembling at random is AT MOST one in 10,000,000,000 or 1/10^(130-120) or 1/10^10, or, in short, 1/10,000,000,000 of a chance!

Therefore, a GOD who created everything (or at least "life")HAS TO EXIST!!!! I have just mathematically proved it.

Now you may state this, and it would be well said if stated, that man has invented/otherwise enamored CLOSE TO 2,000,000 so called god's. Many of them were mere men posing as somebody significant, such as Buddha, who let the people declare him a 'god', or Confucius, who was actually a moralist, never claimed to be god and wasn't exalted as 'god' until long after he was dead. Or Joseph Smith who made several false prophesies and murdered three people trying to save his own neck from an angry mob. One could even rule out Muhammad, who knew God is holy, but failed to vindicate this in his doctrine. (as well as being murderous in his plight on the Jews and takeover of several countries with extreme bloodshed.)
I could examine all those of which the most evidence on their part proves against them. Instead i would like all who read this to take a closer look at the main points of the one who is the premier candidate for being this great 'God,' that is to say the one who made this life which cannot assemble at random. One thing that sets Jesus up above the rest, is that he was predicted by his race of people, but when he came, the people refused the evidence! (much like today, huh!) ALLLLLL of the messianic prophesies about him were fulfilled COMPLETELY. Some were written hundreds, some even THOUSANDS of years beforehand. Not only that, but He did something none other, even CLAIMS to have done: he rose from the dead. Even Muhammad, the most realistic fake, is buried in the Kabah (pardon the spelling) in Mecca! Muslims even know this! (I presume anyway...) Even in the scriptures he inspired, however, he is never QUOTED DIRECTLY as claiming to be God, which he said would be empty and vain. He not only came as King of his Nation the Jews, (Mathew), but as a humble Loving servant of his Father, sent to do the express will of his Father NOT of man (although his Father's will saved the men ands women who looked to him), (Mark.) He was THE man, that is to say the man worth all others put together who alone could pay deaths penalty for all and still have room for more, (if all had repented that is...) (Luke.) He was God the Father's word of life come in the flesh, in whom alone was life, who came not to judge the world, but to save it (John.) He is the one. He Died for the dead, that the dead, might live for Him. How? By dying the death all others have died at birth when they were BORN dead... Born dead? All men are born separated from God and all eventually sin against God by joining in the rebellion started by Adam. The catch? JESUS DIDN'T DESERVE TO DIE, NOT EVEN IN THE MOST MINUTE DEGREE! Died, that is WAS CRUSHED BY HOLY WRATH OF HIS OWN FATHER! For sins he didn't commit? He is the only one who didn't ever fall short of completely perfect! Unlike the other "god's," his righteous vindication of the Fathers Love, is able to save to the uttermost all who worship through him! Had he sinned, he would have been destroyed for his sin; since "no sin was found in Him", he took upon himself the penalty for OUR SIN and was destroyed at the Fathers Hand, IN OUR PLACE!!!! That way, whenever God the Father wants to forgive someone, he can rest assured in his justice that the penalty for their crime of rebellion has indeed been "paid in full." Therefore, since God Has to exist, only in Jesus can we say God DOES exist, IS HOLY and DEMANDS death for any and all crimes against him; Christ's, or yours in the lake of fire. Him being perfect, any will outside of his would be flawed. Adam ate of the fruit, and instantly, spiritually died! He became separated from God and saw how naked he was without him... we men are still naked today (spiritually) until clothed with Christ...(physical death came later due to the decay introduced by Adams sin...) Why then is God's world full of suffering and death? It isn't! (The world we know of is under God sovereign providence until he takes full control after He judges it.) This world we see today is the world that we have made for ourselves 6,000 years ago in our TREASONOUS REBELLION against the Author of Life! I have just proved that mathematically, life CANNOT (pretty much anyway...) arise out of nothing, but now that i have done this, where did the life come from? It came FROM JESUS!!! Jesus the only person claiming to be God, (without doing so directly, or squalling any glory for himself), and doing so RIGHTEOUSLY!!! ALL of the religions of the world, including liberal Christianity, Romanism, Mormons, J.W.s, 7th day Adventists et al, say this: Do this, and you can achieve a right standing before God. Conservative Christianity of the Bible, says YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO OBTAIN A RIGHT STANDING BEFORE GOD!!!!!!! ALL HAVE SINNED AGAINST HIM, because ALL BECAME SINNERS ONCE THEY WERE OLD ENOUGH, because ALL HAVE REBELLED, because ALL WERE BORN IN A STATE SEPARATED FROM GOD< INCAPABLE OF KNOWING HIM!!!! Therefore, because were were lost without him, God came to us in the form of His Holy Spirit and convicted us of sin... Sin? Every human being on the face of this planet has chosen to REJECT God, and live life either with God separate from them, or God subject to them. "ye shall be as gods" said the serpent in the garden, and in a sense he was right: we all became little dead 'gods' in rebellion to the real TRUE God, and will be judged if we do not repent!!! Repent? this is a very old English word which represents its original Greek counterpart well: it means an about face from serving self to serving God. You ask, How can we? We Stand Condemned Before him because of our treason against him! I now proclaim, that Salvation has been made possible by the Life, Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ: as Paul has written, Romans ch 10 v.9 "If thou shalt Confess JESUS as LORD and BELIEVE in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED" Before hand, you might have been rebellious and rejected the light God has given you, or religious thinking that you can obtain a right standing with him by self effort such as baptism, communion, religious "graces" (another fancy Roman name for works) or being devout in any practice. The only way to be saved from the wrath of this non-imaginary God against whom you have sinned, is to believe the gospel i have just preached (its from the bible originally) and place your trust in Jesus for life and salvation.

If anyone feels a need to respond to this mini-sermon, or otherwise has questions/comments or needs scriptural references from this (i used quite a few but had little time to look each one up for an exact quotation...) please write to:
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If you can show me ANY evidence, besides words written by man or the words out of your own mouth, i might consider GOD. but all we have are texts, that were just created to controll people. not even all the text are published, not to mention the errors of translation. now sure i cant prove that government created religion, its what i beleive, but nobody can prove the origins of our existence. warm fuzzy feelings dont count as evidence.

Two things: """God""" is simply being imo, or the collective being of life.
And "If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him" ~Voltaire