God Doesn't Exist

by **mr.gold** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:31 am

Ian wrote:I read the passage written about "God does not exsist". He does exist and every day we get closer to meeting God. And the writer needs to spell OF correctly. Of is spelled o-f, not o-f-f. Thank you and God Bless.

You weakened your argument considerably when you attacked the writer's spelling. That is not to the point. God's existence or non existence does not depend on whether or not the writer used the proper spelling of the word, "of". While I disagree with the writer's thesis because of the implausibility and illogic of the atheistic philosophy, the writer's ability to spell has nothing to do with the argument.

I do not believe in God. I KNOW beyond any REASONABLE doubt that the Grand Designer exists.

by **UCMEFLY** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:12 am

Mr. Gold, you are great. The fact that someone so smart and obviously well educated and is a scientist accepts Jesus as Lord brings me joy. I have some understanding in how the human mind works and the big picture you geniuses see using your awesome right hemisphere, you see the whole puzzle before you can logically analyze it. Fantastic brother. Isn't it great that God can be proven with science. I'm glad i read your blog bro. I'm sure we'll meet at some point in time. Till then, i hope you have fun leaving people who disagree with no reply..Take care man God bless.

by **Eyeinthesky** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 10:29 am

mr.gold wrote:Hmmm...As a real live scientist let's see if I have got this right....

There was a Big Bang that just happened oh...about 15 thousand million years ago...by chance. (One thousand million is equal to one American billion. But it takes a million millions to equal one British billion. So I write my numbers as thus...)

400,000 years after that event, the Big Bang, light happened...by chance.

This energy coagulated to the elemental particles...by chance.

The elemental particles formed into elemental Hydrogen...by chance.

The Hydrogen was clumped into heavier clouds until the gravitational fields spawned nuclear furnaces, the first stars...by chance.

The stars, not to bore you with the details of the Carbon threshold, created the lighter elements...by chance.

Second generation stars were created and then third generation stars were created, thus creating the heavier elements...by chance.

Anyway, some 11 thousand million years ago in a galaxy near and dear to me, our very own Milky Way, an accretion disk formed about a cloud of gas to create a third generation star...by chance.

On the planet, formed in the third gravitational trough outward from the star, oceans were created...by chance.

In the reducing atomsphere of this newly formed planet a lightning bolt struck a pond that was rich in complex amino acids...by chance.

Somehow, some way, and not a scientist whom I have spoken with has a real clue as to how this trick was pulled off, ribonucleic acid (RNA) and, because of the reducing atmosphere, deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), were synthesized...by chance.

Then somehow, by methods that we haven't dreamed of, this DNA and RNA combined with other chemicals to make the first primordial self replicating cellular life forms...by chance.

Some of these cellular life forms organized themselves into worms, simple digestive tracts...by chance.

The worms evolved to more complex and more organized life forms (Which just happens to be a violation of the thermodynamic laws of enthalpy-entropy)...by chance.

Somehow the reducing atmosphere turned into an oxygenating atmosphere...by chance.

Thus the evolution of the creatures of the Earth occured...symbiosis between plant and animal life...minor organisms to complex organisms...Darwinian selection...ordered...not chaotic...by chance (Isn't chance a form of random chaos?) That in itself is contradictory. But for argument's sake I'll concede it.

Then 100,000 years ago some humanoids were formed from eons of evolution...by chance.

They developed self awareness...by chance.

Throughout the past 100,000 years their societies became more ordered and more complex...from chaotic to organized...by chance. (That damned second law of thermodynamics just keeps getting in my way. Enthalpy to Entropy...Order to Chaos...But for argument's sake...)

As a matter of fact, 100.000 years later, it is just by mere chance that you understand these symbols that you read on your cathode ray tube...or your plasma screen...which I am using to communicate this idea to you? Aren't these symbols random? Don't you have the despair of dyslexia? Yeah!!! Right!!!

Can't you see why I cannot buy into this argument? It is weak. It is so weak that it is ridiculous, that is, worthy of ridicule. The problem with this is so simple. If the Universe has a design, any design, then it implies a Designer by its mere existence. That Designer is God and the existence of you and I is what makes the argument for atheism so very, very weak and ridiculous.

According to some of my colleagues there is a chance, by the laws of Quantum Mechanics, that I can step out of my front door and materialize on the surface of Mars. You don't buy that? Well...I do. I understand complex mathematics. I understand probability. I am a Physicist. I am a genius. I have an elevated I.Q. I am smarter than every 100 people that I meet...on average. (Yet, because of my social circle, I have to bias that a little to the smarter side. So maybe I am smarter than every 50 people that I meet...on average.) So I do understand that there is a remote chance of my walking (rather gasping) on Mars without a spacesuit. (It just would be too bad that I'd not live to tell of my adventure.) But there is a much, much greater chance of that happening than that of the Universe being created by chance.

So is that arrogance...or just mere fact...or maybe it is a coinherent? But I'd adopt a little more humility if someone will state that he doesn't know when, most certainly, he does not... "God doesn't exist." Bah!!! That statement is the epitomy of arrogance. It is so sad, so very sad that it is laughable. I'd rather laugh than cry.

It takes a greater leap of faith to deny the existence of a Designer than to understand and accept the existence of the Supreme. All I need do to see Him is open my eyes. The mathematics is His language. Jesus Christ is Lord.

Creator yes, God no. Laws of phisics shows us clearly that if we want something it has to be made whether we make it ourselves or somebody else does it. But to say that Creator is the same thing that is described as the fictional charactor in the bible is a little irresponsible as a grown up. Im sure that the creator of thousands of galaxies is the same creator that threatens to scorch your soul in the flames of hell if your bad or give you everlasting happiness if you behave.

If you really do have an elevated I.Q. then you should also know that there is no reason for life at all if its all just a test to see if your going to be good or bad. What is the point. Hmm you can be good and you get to go to 'Heaven' or you can be bad and go to 'Hell'. Thats it? I didnt ask to be born, why should i get put on the spot and judged if i didnt ask too be? Say i dont want either what then? See Christians assume that your Heaven is perfect to everyone when thats not true. I do stuff everyday that hurts noone that a Christian would consider to be a sin. So i have to give up my litte pleasures to be able to go to this place yall describe as heaven.

It is my own assumption that Christianity was not only created into scaring people straight, but was also created to give people somewhat of a comfort knowing that they too will one day die. Its called hope. Which leads me to the next problem with Christianity. Why would you need hope if you are sure of something? The bible teaches to have hope. As if its not even sure of what it says. Now when i use a sentence with hope in it its because im not sure of what im stating. (I.E.) I hope when I die I get to go to a place where there are all kinds of things for me to enjoy. Hope is an incertanty yet they teach this in the bible?

Of course you dont want to die you know nothing else outside of this life you live, and we are hardwired not to want to make a blind change. Im not going to lie, I myself am a little scared of what will happen. I mean when we look a the phisical aspects of the the human life what do we get? As a child we get to experience all the fun that is possible. As we become young adults we start seeing some of the issues that our parents/grandparents are facing. Then as adults we are to make the best out of what we are delt or strive to make better for ourselves.

Think on a phisical level what actually happens to the body after it faces death. There have been studies that have proven once you die you actually lose weight. Some would argue that it is your 'soul' leaving the body, but since there is no such part called a soul they tested to see what it actually was that was leaving the body. They have stated that it is pure energy. So what do we know about energy? Well as taught in 7th grade phisics energy can change forms and can travel without propultion, but is never lost. Energy never stops it can only be converted to another type of energy. So in a world governed by phisics the only possible way for you to live on after death is through your energy. So after i die i assume im going to travel the world, and see all the great sights minus that last part since phisically i wont be able to see without eyes. Wont be able to feel without a nervous system. Wont be able to experience without a brain.

Think back to before your were born, what it was like. Yea cant remeber that cause you didnt exist back then nor will you after you die. Its not like your going to be sad that you wont get to see any of your friends or family again cause you wont have a thought process.

Now you christians can comeon out and take your swings cause you know if you think about it, its true.

God is for those who need the courage to face death!

Scott-
Astrophisicist-
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/

by **tonto** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:42 pm

"GOD" does exist, we are god, all that exists is god, and we are god, we are here to feel and experience things, as god we understand everything, we know everything there is to know in the cosmos but because of this everything is logical and we control with knowledge. So we choose to exist in a coporial form whether on earth or any other planet or moon in the cosmos, we choose to be without the memory of god so we can experience again love, hate, fear, beauty, loneliness all the things as god we can remember but cannot experience anymore. So to finish we are a small part of the whole of god or we are god and when we leave our earthly vessel we will join again with the whole and all our memories and feelings and experience will touch the rest of god and god again will be better for the smallest amount of knowledge whether the person has been a bad person or a good person, the knowledge passed on by the soul will extend god further thus god will be a better god.

Levil · by **Levil** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 7:05 pm

GOD BELIEVER wrote:god is real plus have you even been reading the bible there is life after death to and the devil to

Yeah! and if you deep enough into you science you find that there had to be god the big bang didn't just go bang by itself now did it i mean realy things don't happen by themselves.

by **UCMEFLY** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 8:22 pm

So what you're saying Scott, is that you share the same fate in death as hitler huh? Gotcha..So i can create my own holocaust of atheists and Go about my marry way and share your fate once we die. Freakin brilliant! You're not convincing me pal..

by **pine gap** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:24 am

A man with so much to give in science/physics education so little spiritually.
A number of points Mr Gold; humanoids had awareness some 1.8m years ago and you claim 'quote: Designer by its mere existence. That Designer is God and the existence of you and I is what makes the argument for atheism so very, very weak and ridiculous.
A person doesn't need a high/er IQ to tell other low IQ people that your god does exist and you need this god to save you if you do certain things in your life.
Which by what has happened to your world today you all probably need a saviour to save you from all the evil you all have in your lives around you.
Christians promise all sorts of places after death....if they keep certain religious guidelines. The muslim have the same type promises.
Christians scare the hell out of their children to keep them on the straight and narrow, this is blatant child abuse.
Teaching children about santa claus, the tooth fairy and god are sheer nonsense and people should be ashamed of themselves for making children believe in such lies and deceit, but it will go on and on as always with your society of believers in hope and faith because that is only what you have left as a species.
Eyeinthesky has it in a nutshell
Now what makes you think that designer is your god.

not athiest rather 'animist'

by **Eyeinthesky** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:41 am

UCMEFLY wrote:So what you're saying Scott, is that you share the same fate in death as hitler huh? Gotcha..So i can create my own holocaust of atheists and Go about my marry way and share your fate once we die. Freakin brilliant! You're not convincing me pal..

Actually yes, everybody will share the same fate. Funny you should bring up Hitler tho. Cause i have seen only one other instance where more people would be torchered. The bible states that your god loves everybody no matter what sins they commit, but it also says that he will send them all to be burnt in the flames of hell. <- I still am not understanding how you would feel this? Is there some kind of magic involved? You have to Understand this religion was created in a time when science was looking at the stars. Back then they could tell people that they would burn in hell and the people would believe them cause they had no idea the phisical effects when a body went through death. Now that we know how our body works you would have to assume that some magic would have to be involved for us to burn without the needed nervous system to feel it.

Just to clear my views: I do believe in a creator. Something had to make the fist seed/tree and something had to make the fist egg. But these things are indicators that the Creator wanted life to grow on its own without Its help.

Porpose in life? Well when we die we make good fertalizer.

Scott-
Astrophisicist-
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/

by **GOD BELIEVER** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:43 am

Levil wrote:
GOD BELIEVER wrote:god is real plus have you even been reading the bible there is life after death to and the devil to

Yeah! and if you deep enough into you science you find that there had to be god the big bang didn't just go bang by itself now did it i mean realy things don't happen by themselves.

your right everything doesnt happen by chance god makes it happen

Eyeinthesky · by **Eyeinthesky** » Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:37 am

GOD BELIEVER wrote:
your right everything doesnt happen by chance god makes it happen

Even if i didnt believe in a creator, if your basing it on just chance it would still be likely to happen. I hear people say that it had to be god because the chance for it to happen on its own is very slim. The truth is it makes no diffrence of the % chance it could happen. Your talking about eternity, its eventually going to happen no matter the chance. I could fill three posts will 0's with a 1 at the end and a decimal point at the begining and with that percentage it would still happen in the time frame of eternity.

Scott-
Astrophisicist-
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/

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