fuzoid wrote:Touché! And you're correct, I did misunderstand. I figured since we were discussing conspiracy theories that you would stay on track. That's what I get for assuming. Anyway, the challenge stands.

LOL - you still needed to get a dig in. That is funny. More on the conspiracy in a few days. So don't think I've forgotten.

*taking another look at your post at the top of the page*
So what you're saying is Baxter international intentionally released a virus in order to profit off of making vaccines?

ET wrote:Hint
Mother Nature does not “naturally” recombine bird, swine and three human influenza viruses. (Birds do not exchange bodily fluids with pigs and humans)

Hint
Mosquitoes do.

There is clear, verifiable and unambiguous proof that Baxter International, deliberately, willfully and knowingly, sent out the 72 kilos of live bird flu virus and as it turns out in further investigation (on going lawsuit) that the bird flu virus was supplied to Baxter by the World Health Organization.

To sum up, Baxter International, a global pharmaceutical corporation that has secured lucrative contracts to supply vaccines, mixed live bird flu with human flu vaccine material in a Bio-security level 3 facility, failed to radiate it, and sent it under a false label to 16 labs as flu vaccine material.

While I'm not one to doubt that some people will do anything for a buck, I have a hard time believing Baxter International intentionally sent out mislabeled live bird flu virus. This seems like a case of gross incompetence rather than intentional. Evidence please.

About eight weeks later, a artificial, genetic worldwide inter-species flu pandemic breaks out in Mexico City, close to another Baxter facility, and the same company is given government and WHO contracts to produce vaccines for the outbreak.

And you have evidence for this? Or are you just quoting the speculation of conspiracy sites? Evidence please.

Lawsuit Against Baxter
Currently there is a lawsuit against Baxter for using homeless people in vaccine tests in the country of Poland. Some of them died.

Yeah, and? Pharmaceutical companies use live humans for all sorts of experiments! In fact, there is a long line of willing human guinea pigs! So what is this supposed to prove? Or are you trying to imply these homeless were abducted and forced to undergo these experiments against their will?

-- Oh yeah, I'm just ET the "conspiracy nut". So don't listen to me. Don't look for yourself cause there is nothing to see. Please just kindly move along.

You said it, not me. And you're correct, I won't listen to you. But I am willing to review any [real hardcore] evidence that you believe you may have. Until you can produce the evidence, you will remain just that, a conspiracy nut. BTW, it is very apparent you are citing information you pulled from another source. Please reference your source(s). Actually, failure to do so could potentially violate copyright law. This depends on whether or not your source stated the information is free to distribute. Anyway, etiquette dictates that when you copy and paste information, you cite the source for the information. Unless you have a reason to hide the source?

Notice: Since I've started a topic called WHO Flu this will be the last posting under Conspiracy theories,9/11 incident,cults,war,religion having to do with H1N1

fuzoid wrote:

ET wrote: Hint
Mother Nature does not “naturally” recombine bird, swine and three human influenza viruses. (Birds do not exchange bodily fluids with pigs and humans)

Hint
Mosquitoes do.)

Yes Correct. However, those virus would be found in the world databases.

fuzoid wrote:

ET wrote:There is clear, verifiable and unambiguous proof that Baxter International, deliberately, willfully and knowingly, sent out the 72 kilos of live bird flu virus and as it turns out in further investigation (on going lawsuit) that the bird flu virus was supplied to Baxter by the World Health Organization.

To sum up, Baxter International, a global pharmaceutical corporation that has secured lucrative contracts to supply vaccines, mixed live bird flu with human flu vaccine material in a Bio-security level 3 facility, failed to radiate it, and sent it under a false label to 16 labs as flu vaccine material.

While I'm not one to doubt that some people will do anything for a buck, I have a hard time believing Baxter International intentionally sent out mislabeled live bird flu virus. This seems like a case of gross incompetence rather than intentional. Evidence please.

Your search for the truth is best served viewing the court documents. http://www.theflucase.com/

fuzoid wrote:

ET wrote:About eight weeks later, a artificial, genetic worldwide inter-species flu pandemic breaks out in Mexico City, close to another Baxter facility, and the same company is given government and WHO contracts to produce vaccines for the outbreak.

And you have evidence for this? Or are you just quoting the speculation of conspiracy sites? Evidence please.

CDC

fuzoid wrote:

ET wrote:Lawsuit Against Baxter
Currently there is a lawsuit against Baxter for using homeless people in vaccine tests in the country of Poland. Some of them died.

Yeah, and? Pharmaceutical companies use live humans for all sorts of experiments! In fact, there is a long line of willing human guinea pigs! So what is this supposed to prove? Or are you trying to imply these homeless were abducted and forced to undergo these experiments against their will?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html

fuzoid wrote:

ET wrote:-- Oh yeah, I'm just ET the "conspiracy nut". So don't listen to me. Don't look for yourself cause there is nothing to see. Please just kindly move along.

You said it, not me. And you're correct, I won't listen to you. But I am willing to review any [real hardcore] evidence that you believe you may have. Until you can produce the evidence, you will remain just that, a conspiracy nut. BTW, it is very apparent you are citing information you pulled from another source. Please reference your source(s). Actually, failure to do so could potentially violate copyright law. This depends on whether or not your source stated the information is free to distribute. Anyway, etiquette dictates that when you copy and paste information, you cite the source for the information. Unless you have a reason to hide the source?

Agreed. We are limited to two links per post on this site. Sourcing the information given was searchable by way of google and I supplied enough for a search. If people can't open a browser and check for themselves for information, I honestly can't do anything about that. That is not intended to say your lazy. It is my reasoning. Concerning copyright laws, the information presented was found in the public domain and is available for use for determination purposes. (You can also note that when quoting a science magazine, that source was included in the posting.)

I have no problems being your "conspiracy nut". I enjoy being kept on my toes as I walk across the rice paper. It is nice to have a challenge.

Fool wrote:So what you're saying is Baxter international intentionally released a virus in order to profit off of making vaccines?

No, what I'm saying is look at the full picture and make your own decision.

If you want to know what is really going on sometimes, one of the best ways to do this is simply follow the money.

ET wrote:

fuzoid wrote:Touché! And you're correct, I did misunderstand. I figured since we were discussing conspiracy theories that you would stay on track. That's what I get for assuming. Anyway, the challenge stands.

LOL - you still needed to get a dig in. That is funny. More on the conspiracy in a few days. So don't think I've forgotten.

Well, the dig was not intentional. I was just stating a fact to explain how I misunderstood the context. Funny how that played out, huh? LOL!!! I'll be looking for more information you may have on these conspiracy theories. Just one piece of advice, make sure you have iron clad evidence before posting your conspiracy theories. And if you use information from other sites, cite your source(s). Okay, that was two. But whose counting?

BTW, I must admit that you seem like a decent enough person for a conspiracy theorist. I could actually imagine us having this conversation over a few beers, providing we didn't get drunk. Because who knows which direction the discussion would then take! LOL!!!

Anyway, I don't think you've forgotten. Oh, and the challenge still stands.

fuzoid
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

ET wrote: We are limited to two links per post on this site.

We're limited to a total of two Hyperlinks, you can include as many addresses as you want. All someone needs to do is C&P the link into a browser...then confusion is avoided. Discussions can be carried out, minus the questions when a claim is made, without supporting reference. Running a search in google is fine, but I've found that sometimes the search term used to find a specific info is just as specific as the info cited, example: "run a search in google use the terms ; turkey recipe thanksgiving stuffing"


It keeps people from looking for ham.

ET wrote:Hint
Mother Nature does not “naturally” recombine bird, swine and three human influenza viruses. (Birds do not exchange bodily fluids with pigs and humans)

fuzoid wrote:Hint
Mosquitoes do.

ET wrote:Yes Correct. However, those virus would be found in the world databases.

What viruses? We're talking about H1N1. And mosquitoes and other biting insects such as fleas are more than capable at spreading it.

ET wrote:There is clear, verifiable and unambiguous proof that Baxter International, deliberately, willfully and knowingly, sent out the 72 kilos of live bird flu virus and as it turns out in further investigation (on going lawsuit) that the bird flu virus was supplied to Baxter by the World Health Organization.

To sum up, Baxter International, a global pharmaceutical corporation that has secured lucrative contracts to supply vaccines, mixed live bird flu with human flu vaccine material in a Bio-security level 3 facility, failed to radiate it, and sent it under a false label to 16 labs as flu vaccine material.

fuzoid wrote:While I'm not one to doubt that some people will do anything for a buck, I have a hard time believing Baxter International intentionally sent out mislabeled live bird flu virus. This seems like a case of gross incompetence rather than intentional. Evidence please.

ET wrote:Your search for the truth is best served viewing the court documents. http://www.theflucase.com/

You'll have to do better than a conspiracy site. I read the article and while much of the info is correct, the author stretches the truth quite a bit by making unsubstantiated claims and accusations. And while I admire Jane Burgermeister for filing her law suits, none of them allege Baxter International is a co-conspirator in a worldwide Illuminati conspiracy to reduce the human population. And this is what she claims.

ET wrote:About eight weeks later, a artificial, genetic worldwide inter-species flu pandemic breaks out in Mexico City, close to another Baxter facility, and the same company is given government and WHO contracts to produce vaccines for the outbreak.

fuzoid wrote:And you have evidence for this? Or are you just quoting the speculation of conspiracy sites? Evidence please.

ET wrote:CDC

Perhaps I wasn't specific enough the first time, so I'll ask the question again. Do you have evidence that H1N1 is an artificial virus?

ET wrote:Lawsuit Against Baxter
Currently there is a lawsuit against Baxter for using homeless people in vaccine tests in the country of Poland. Some of them died.

fuzoid wrote:Yeah, and? Pharmaceutical companies use live humans for all sorts of experiments! In fact, there is a long line of willing human guinea pigs! So what is this supposed to prove? Or are you trying to imply these homeless were abducted and forced to undergo these experiments against their will?

ET wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html

There are three things wrong with the evidence you just provided. One, no where does it claim that these people were given the vaccine against their will. In fact it specifically states they were given £1-2 for their participation. Two, this article is dated July 2008. And three, it is about the H5N1 vaccine.

ET wrote:-- Oh yeah, I'm just ET the "conspiracy nut". So don't listen to me. Don't look for yourself cause there is nothing to see. Please just kindly move along.

fuzoid wrote:You said it, not me. And you're correct, I won't listen to you. But I am willing to review any [real hardcore] evidence that you believe you may have. Until you can produce the evidence, you will remain just that, a conspiracy nut. BTW, it is very apparent you are citing information you pulled from another source. Please reference your source(s). Actually, failure to do so could potentially violate copyright law. This depends on whether or not your source stated the information is free to distribute. Anyway, etiquette dictates that when you copy and paste information, you cite the source for the information. Unless you have a reason to hide the source?

ET wrote:Agreed. We are limited to two links per post on this site.

Yeah, that does suck. But there are ways around this. Try dropping http:// from the web address. That should allow you to reference the site without the software counting it as a link.

Sourcing the information given was searchable by way of google and I supplied enough for a search. If people can't open a browser and check for themselves for information, I honestly can't do anything about that. That is not intended to say your lazy. It is my reasoning.

With all due respect, I am not the one making the conspiracy claims. So the burden of proof lies with you, not me. Ironically, I did google it and couldn't find a legitimate hit that spoke of some vast conspiracy by Baxter, WHO, or any other world leader.

Concerning copyright laws, the information presented was found in the public domain and is available for use for determination purposes. (You can also note that when quoting a science magazine, that source was included in the posting.)

I must have missed you citing your magazine source. I'll have to backtrack to see it for myself. Anyway, while this is what I was talking about, I was also referring to your rather long response to ddd. Parts of it were lifted directly from the educate-yourself.org site Fool provided. And for all I know, most of it was as well!

I have no problems being your "conspiracy nut". I enjoy being kept on my toes as I walk across the rice paper. It is nice to have a challenge.

Glad to read this. And I promise it will be less antagonistic. LOL!!!

i can tell everyone a lot about the New World Order
they are not THE actual illuminati but very very similar to it

these people have been around us for a long time
ooh and they even created the united states of America
signs of them are all around
for instance they say to not have anything to do with the number 13
yet the pyramid on the 1 dollar bill has 13 layers
the shield of the eagle has 13 stripes
in his right claw the eagle holds 13 arrows in his left claw he holds some branches having 13 leaves in total
also the number of stars on the thing above the eagle has 13 stars

also quite stunning is that the stone bases of many stone sculptures at the white house is exactly 666 inches long
the devil HAS to rule from the solomon's temple
the white house is an exact copy of solomon's temple

it's not a secret that the New World Order exists
they are the masterminds behind capitalism and some of them like to speak openly about the NWO
like Henry Kissinger
he said "now with the economic crisis it would be an excellent time to launch the NWO"
i live in the netherlands and since a few years now we MUST have an ID with us at all times
one of our politicians Rita verdonk who is an ex-prison warden now made sure that since the 26th of june 2009 we all have to give our biometric data when we make a new ID or passport

the next step in the progress is to say that an ID card is not practical you could lose it, or it can be stolen, etc, etc, etc.
then they say that a chip will be a much better solution and have us all get one

i've already seen commercials to promote these chips
one of those chips will take all your privacy away and imprison you for your whole lifetime
imagine walking around with a chip that has GPS
the goddamn government can see your whereabouts at anytime

the NWO is gonna launch very very soon
FEMA is building empty and deserted detention camps all across their states
all army and police personnel are being taught rebellion control training
guns are now prohibited (the last thing the government wants is a rebellion army with easy access to guns)

they are preparing for mass rebellion and another holocaust much worse this time is coming unless we do something about it

i suggest everyone of you watch the movie zeitgeist ammendum on youtube
it carefully exposes their best invention and strongest weapon...MONEY

it carefully exposes their best invention and strongest weapon...MONEY

Viva la revolución comunista, los camaradas!
(Mi espanol es muy malo. Was the grammar ok? Come to think of it, does the phrase even make sense in Spanish?)