Hello Chickennoodles.

The purpose is to provide a point of view, a perspective. Agreed there are great works of art but what is the purpose of art in a whole of concept view. As for a comet are they really dirty balls of ice? Recent data indicates a lot less water than an ice ball would be expected to have. Impact data and images indicate they do carry a significant charge and some show very high discharge marking. We are still right at the beginning of what we know and some of the data coming in suggests there are significant holes in the theories that have been used to determine the nature of the universe.

For a start do comets get captured by the sun as currently is theorized or in some alternate thought out way get produced by the sun? In the 11 year cycle which should also peak around 2011 to 2012 sunspots and coronal mass ejections followed by solar tsunamis should be observed in detail never before possible due to the solar observatories now in place. I just find it amazing that physics and human 'understanding' is assumed to be anywhere near so complete when there is still so much that is not consistent with the results coming in.

Maybe 2012 is just an ordinary comet but for the first time the way that a comet is formed and its composition is understood and that in itself might be enough to revolutionize the way that we understand the universe. If anything a better and more complete understanding of the very fundamentals could do as much to shake current thinking as a full on impact or near miss might bring about. This is the point ... we just do not know enough yet.

Deianera wrote:ChickenNoodles, what's really going on in YOUR noodle? I find you hopelessly reactionary. If you've got nothing worthwhile to contribute, for Heaven's sake go somewhere else! WE DON'T NEED YOU. Deianera

Don't you have anything constructive to say apart from weak insults?

Michael Noonan wrote:Hello Chickennoodles.

Hi Michael

Michael Noonan wrote:The purpose is to provide a point of view, a perspective. Agreed there are great works of art but what is the purpose of art in a whole of concept view.

The purpose of art: Wow, that's an enormous subject on it's own. I'll try to sum up my thoughts on that with a few keywords...Creativity, Insight, Expanding Conciousness, Pleasure, Fun, Hard Work, Form.
I myself am a multi instrumentalist (Cello, Piano, Guitar, Drums and Percussion).

Michael Noonan wrote: As for a comet are they really dirty balls of ice? Recent data indicates a lot less water than an ice ball would be expected to have. Impact data and images indicate they do carry a significant charge and some show very high discharge marking. We are still right at the beginning of what we know and some of the data coming in suggests there are significant holes in the theories that have been used to determine the nature of the universe.

It's a popular misconception, Comets are not just balls of dirty ice. It's entirely probable that different comets have a different makeups, some may have rocky core's. For instance, when the Deep Impact probe hit comet Tempel1 we discovered it contained carbonates, smectite, metal sulfides, crystalline silicates and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons amongst other stuff, but all this info is in the original link ( or links from the Wiki page ) that Ed posted. Comets are also known to be some of the most least reflective ( at optical wavelengths ) objects in our solar system.
So i'm not sure what your point is here?

Michael Noonan wrote:For a start do comets get captured by the sun as currently is theorized or in some alternate thought out way get produced by the sun? In the 11 year cycle which should also peak around 2011 to 2012 sunspots and coronal mass ejections followed by solar tsunamis should be observed in detail never before possible due to the solar observatories now in place. I just find it amazing that physics and human 'understanding' is assumed to be anywhere near so complete when there is still so much that is not consistent with the results coming in.

Well the sun is a huge gravity well and if objects are knocked from orbit's in the Oort cloud for instance, the chances are they will be captured by the sun's gravity. Some obviously do hit planets from time to time ( shoemaker-levy being the best example in recent times ) , but the vast majority are captured by the sun as has been shown with SOHO and STEREO spacecraft.
Scientists have never proclaimed our understanding of the universe is anywhere near complete, so again i'm not sure what your point is here.
I do assume you have an appreciation of the scientific process from Hypothesis to Theory through to Experimentation?

Also the sun's 11 year cycle is not exact. It can vary from 9 to 14 years, that's notwithstanding the 22 year magnetic cycle.

Michael Noonan wrote:Maybe 2012 is just an ordinary comet but for the first time the way that a comet is formed and its composition is understood and that in itself might be enough to revolutionize the way that we understand the universe. If anything a better and more complete understanding of the very fundamentals could do as much to shake current thinking as a full on impact or near miss might bring about. This is the point ... we just do not know enough yet.

Indeed, we do not know enough yet. I thought the 2012 incident was supposed to be a planet though ( Planet X/Nibaru ) and not a comet. There is absolutely no evidence of any object resembling a planet or even comet that is due to hit or give Earth a near miss in 2012.

This forum topic is "What is a comet? What can they do?" So lets start with what is a comet. A comet is basically an orbiting rock that can when coming into close to any star (depending on the composition/heavier elements) will cause an electrical connection with the star and a discharge of protons (which we see as the tail). Our sun IS a capacitor. Think of a plasma ball that is flickering away inside the ball. When you bring your finger close to this ball the capacitor reacts and causes an electrical current to move towards your finger. You see that as a concentration of the electrical field inside the ball. As you move your finger along the outside of the ball, this electrical field/discharge follows your finger. You finger acts basically the same as a comet would in the regards to the newer Plasma Discharge Model.

The problem with the current model (dirty little snowball), which no doubt is causing NASA some grief, is that it changes several other models such as how weather really works on planet Earth. It changes how the sun is viewed. In the newer model the dynamic interactions on our sun are happening more so at the surface than at the deeper core which was previously thought. It is worth the mention that NASA is taking small steps to adapt the model. They don't really have a choice in the matter. There are rebel astrophysics that are pushing the dirty little snowball model out of the picture and into the history books once and for all as not proven.

Lets talk What can they do? Comet lulin; the perfect little plasma discharge comet / fluorescing / electrically aligning with earth. All the bad weather that we had in late February of this year was a direct result of this comet electrically discharging itself. We had major storms that came out of no-where that effect the whole planet. This comet was close to Mars, not our Earth and it effected our weather patterns. That was but a sample of what comets can do when they are close by and traveling in our inner solar system.

The idea of a Planet X is a total misconception. First, there it is not a Planet X. It is a comet. And, there is not one Planet X, there are several. Think of "Planet X" as basically a name used to say "not named" or composition identified for object classification. It is a buzzword.

Planet X isn't a total misconception, there are bodies further out than Neptune, Pluto and Uranus that are big enough to be considered planets or planetoids. Problem is they're so far out its very difficult to get a precise fix on them or even to get a proper look at them, plus they don't seem to follow the same nearly circular orbits as the regular planets and planetoids and as a result very little is known about them, so little in fact many scientist either don't believe they exist or don't really see them as players in our solar systems mechanics (in fact it is possible they didn't originate within our system but instead have been caught later on by Sol's gravity well.) The only real evidence we have of their existence is that they would explain strange fluctuations in the outer planets orbits that can't be seemingly understood any other way (Unless we've got the make up of the planets wrong or their internal cores are still active, both these theories are a possibility although again they don't fit in with the established model of our universe)

One thing isn't a misconception though, there is no way they can ever come close to Earth. The gravitational attraction of the Gas Giants is just to strong. Jupiter and Saturn generally act as sweepers for the inner solar system, attracting the majority of incoming bodies to impact on them rather than the smaller inner planets, if any outsider planet where to crash into our system chances are it would either hit one of these of become trapped in an orbit around it, becoming one of Jupiter's many moons or part of (admittedly a large part) of Saturn's rings.

There is a quite far out theory that Planet X is comprised of dark matter (a material which is still theoretical). However as present dark matter theory suggests that normal matter and the dark stuff repel each other i find this not very creditable. If it is though, all bets are off as we don't really know the first thing about dark matter, we can't even be sure it exists, in just a neat theory to explain certain problems of mass that we have with our galaxy.

For further clarification here's a link to NASA's report on just one of the far out bodies, there are probably more.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/29jul_planetx.htm

Loa wrote:Planet X isn't a total misconception

mindkind wrote:The idea of a Planet X is a total misconception. First, there it is not a Planet X. It is a comet. And, there is not one Planet X, there are several. Think of "Planet X" as basically a name used to say "not named" or composition identified for object classification. It is a buzzword.

Sorry I meant to say "Think of "Planet X" as basically a name used to say "not named" or composition not identified for object classification". There is a misconception of use when people say this term to mean an actual body named "Planet X" is approaching the Earth.

Ed wrote:Is not a comet what is coming toward our planet, is a big planet that do its orbit near this solar system, so when this giant came close to our planet will put the planet up side down, where is water will be land and where is land will be water it not going to destroy this planet only will change it.

First I'll excuse for my bad English(from Norway) anyway, The planet X will not turn the earth upside down. It will make polar shifts and create massive earthquake and tornadoes and stuff like that.. but the government in over 20 countries are building underground bases like the seed bank on Svalbard, but only 1/3 of the mankind will survive..

Modern science says that Venus has been in nested in its orbit since the beginning of the solar system (along all the other planets Mercury/Mars/Jupiter...) This may not be a correct assumption on our part... Comets may in fact be Planet X sized... The way planets come into orbit in the inner solar system is by a capture. Planets are captured into an orbit. They basically transition from comet to planet. Case in point... VENUS!

In the case of Venus, all the people(s) of the world recorded the arrival/capture of Venus as a new planetary object. It was first observed by the naked eye as a comet as it passed Jupiter heading towards the inner system. It took approximately 600 years for Venus to work its way in and finally nest into the currently herded orbit. As it encountered Mars it literally ripped off the atmosphere and took the oceans as it passed. Once the comet tail Venus began interacted with our planet the Martian water was deposited in what would be called perhaps today as a cosmic proportional pollution event along side with a continuance debris bombardment. These global cataclysms fundamentally altered the very face of our planet more than once (twice in 54 years). The terrestrial axis shifted. Earth fled from its established orbit. The magnetic poles reversed. Climates changed suddenly... In a few moments in time, civilizations collapsed. Surviving generations recorded these events in myths and legends as best they could... Earth now had a sister planet that we called Venus and the pains of her birth were subsiding slowly as we sleeked into a new equilibrial 365 day pathway around the sun. An old age had ended and a new begun. It is no wonder why we were aware of a link between the circuit of heavenly bodies and why we diligently watched and built monuments to record changes the night skies.

Velikovsky places this event some odd 3700 years ago. Although when it occurred is not so much the topic of this discussion as is more so the relationship to how it totally affected us. Velikosky studied ancient history and calendar systems. You can explore more deeply to what he had to say about this event at the site http://www.varchive.org/index.htm. Enjoy...

Mankind, first off an apology, rereading your post about Planet X I now see what you meant. However; your theory on Venus can't be right as the pagan pentagram is a map of the path Venus seems to follow when viewed from earth, and unfortunately the belief in the guiding star and its symbol are older than 3 and a half thousand years. It's referenced in texts far older than that.