For one, I am not a Christian. I do not consider myself a Christian, or any other existing religion at this time, for that matter. I am not an atheist, however. Most of my information on Christianity and the Bible come from television. The rest comes from the internet or various books I have read (Minus the Bible directly). I do this to show how the Christian God is a jerk. I'm not just anti-Planet X. Oh, and sorry Christians.

First of all, the Christian God is very spiteful, and not the smartest deity. From what I know on the story of Adam and Eve (False due to the theory of evolution), God says that EVERYONE sins AT BIRTH, all because that dumb b**th Eve at one of the apples God SPECIFICALLY told them not to eat, partly because of a f**king snake. Now, I don't know what's sadder about this setup. The fact that Eve was stupid enough to ignore GOD, or the fact that God was stupid enough to allow her to get in such a situation in the first place. And how the heck did the snake get there? Is Satan a freaking shape shifter? And speaking of that, why would Satan (Formerly Lucifer) have anything against the creator of everything? I assume it's because he was a jerk. And if it was because God wasn't giving Lucifer something he thought he deserved, maybe it's God who's at fault from what I know of his behavior. That Noah and the Flood Story, for example. If anyone doesn't know what I'm talking about, rather than looking it up, you can just pick up a copy of Evan Almighty. Or Bruce Almighty, if you don't care and/or want a better movie. Getting back on topic, you'd have to be a real jerk to commit worldwide genocide. So in a way, Adolf freaking Hitler was NOTHING compared to his God! Yeah, Hitler killed over six million people, but God has killed thousands of people of all races, religions, nationalities, as well as thousands of animals, probably a lot of plants (Which are important), and, most likely, billions of microbes. So, lets take score. Hitler was responsible for the death of millions, while the Christian God is responsible for the death of billions, perhaps even over a googol, or even centillions. Those are real numbers, and they are freaking BIG.

Now onto real life. Remember the Crusades? The basic premise was to send a whole bunch of Christians with weapons to some place in the Islamic Middle East to take some city the Pope thought was of some significance to Christianity. A lot of people died, and I'm sure that only those who fought at Jerusalem hadn't died in vain. Well, they sort of did, in a way. Because unless the Christians and the Jews have nothing against each other, the Christians are going to have a hard time getting to Jerusalem, because- guess what?- The Jews own it now! Speaking of Jewish people, I don't see how Jesus was ever associated with Christianity. From what I know, Jesus was Jewish, not Christian. And wasn't he the King of the Jews? So let's back up here. If Jesus was the son of God, as Christians claim, wouldn't he follow the true faith (According to Christians, Christianity)? Well, either Jesus wasn't God's son, God at all, or even related to God except through worship (To the JEWISH God, by the way), or the true faith isn't Christianity, but Judaism. Makes you think, doesn't it?

Now has anyone ever seen White Jesus? You know, a White, blue-eyed, blond-hired, clean shaven Jesus, who I sometimes call "Aryan" Jesus. There is but ONE question you need to answer to realize that anyone trying to pass of this White Jesus as what Jesus really looked like (Yes, there was a historical Jesus. We can all agree on that.). You must ask yourself "Where was Jesus born?" The answer? The Middle East, of course! And most people born in the Middle East, especially at that time, are- Get this, European Christians- Middle Eastern! Not White! In fact, considering the geography and political situation, there's more of a chance Jesus was Black than White. At least it seems like that to me. But the most likely possibility was that Jesus was Middle Eastern. Most likely, White Jesus was created by a European Church because they couldn't accept that Middle Easterns had a chance of being superior to White people, seeing as how their Lord and Savior was Middle Eastern. So they decide to create one of the biggest lies to ever be told, next to religion itself.

Also, because Jesus was JEWISH, and he preached ideas that make up modern-day Christianity (As it's SUPPOSED to be, but isn't thanks to people who take the Bible WAY too seriously), wouldn't that help the idea that Christianity is TECHINCALLY a sect of Judaism, especially since both religions believe in the Old Testemant? Try to work your way out of this one, Christian White Supremasists (Looking at YOU, Hitler).
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Wow,that was such a deeply uninformed bunch of rambling,go look up the term free will,and then go re read your bible,and please look somewhere besides Bruce Almighty for your biblical knowledge.

Oh my... where to start...

From what I know on the story of Adam and Eve (False due to the theory of evolution)

A theory has served it purpose only if it was able to stand long enough to be replaced by the next theory. Don't confuse a theory with a truth. How you can tell the difference is simple; the truth doesn't need your participation where a theory does. The Darwin's theory of evolution has already been debunked and is not longer the widely accepted viewpoint.

God says that EVERYONE sins AT BIRTH

Original sin is an interesting topic. Since were talking theories lets take this one out for a spin. Adam (Son of God) sinned and in doing so became son of man. All the offspring's in the Adamic genetic pool were now subject to being born son of man and in this lowered capacity were living in original sin. Jesus (son of man), returned to abolish or make amends for original sin and return union with the creator which was lost according to the Genesis story. In doing so became the Son of God. Adam and Jesus are one and the same. The sin that Jesus died for was the one he had originally created at the beginning. The cycle is then completed for the whole race with respects of the Adamic genetic pool to return into Covenant(s) and by doing so linking God back to his Chosen People.

The fact that Eve was stupid enough to ignore GOD

Maybe it was more she ate from the tree of good and evil rather than taking the fruit of the tree of life. Think about it. Had she gone to the tree of life first... she and Adam would have chosen life. Clearly in the story a choice was presented. It was inevitable one would be picked and eaten. Let me illustrate; don't think of a pick elephant! Guess what... you thought of a pink elephant. I know you did. I would have to assume in saying don't do this or that, it was already understood that the mind doesn't (lol) play along well. So, it was as I said inevitable one would be picked and eaten.

Is Satan a freaking shape shifter

Yes and from a whole separated race from humankind.

why would Satan (Formerly Lucifer) have anything against the creator of everything

Pride. In Latin, the word "Lucifer", meaning "Light-Bringer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), is a name for the "Morning Star" (the planet Venus in its dawn appearances). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer Lucifer is a title, or role/position given by God. This entity fell from grace (as the story goes) and was strip of the title. The entity has numerous reappearances on the earthly playing field and can be discovered with any study into myth. Here is another clue... Ra (pronounced Rah, and sometimes as Ré) is an ancient Egyptian sun god.

Noah and the Flood Story

Funny you'd mention this... The flood was necessary due to the corrupted gene pool. Noah's genetic code was still pure (from Adam) and was because of this was saved before the whole human race had been genetically corrupted by... you guessed it... A study into the Nephilim will be interesting to say the least.

All I can say is that there is a lot more going on right in front of our eyes. It is at least hoped that we as a race are heading towards the Apocalypse which in a nutshell means "lifting of the veil" or "revelation" and is a term applied to the disclosure of something hidden from the majority of humankind. It is truly interesting times!

Allarius wrote:Wow,that was such a deeply uninformed bunch of rambling,go look up the term free will,and then go re read your bible,and please look somewhere besides Bruce Almighty for your biblical knowledge.

Yes, thank you for ignoring some of my better points. I don't get what this has to do with free will, other than the amount that has been taken from many because of Christianity (Not that any other religion hasn't done anything similar). I do not own a Bible, nor will I ever (As far as I can tell). And I have gotten my Biblical information from places other that Bruce Almighty. Evan Almighty, for example. Also, various websites, TV shows, and books besides the Bible, which I really don't want to read directly.

You honestly think that you can understand an entire religion through T.V., websites, etc? For someone whos trying to sound scientific, those are awfully unreliable sources

Watcher wrote:The Darwin's theory of evolution has already been debunked and is not longer the widely accepted viewpoint.

Please do not make a statement of fact without supporting it with evidence. Please cite your source(s). And don't you believe debunked is a bit of a stretch?

Watcher wrote:

NoPlanetX wrote:God says that EVERYONE sins AT BIRTH

Original sin is an interesting topic. Since were talking theories lets take this one out for a spin. Adam (Son of God) sinned and in doing so became son of man. All the offspring's in the Adamic genetic pool were now subject to being born son of man and in this lowered capacity were living in original sin. Jesus (son of man), returned to abolish or make amends for original sin and return union with the creator which was lost according to the Genesis story. In doing so became the Son of God. Adam and Jesus are one and the same. The sin that Jesus died for was the one he had originally created at the beginning. The cycle is then completed for the whole race with respects of the Adamic genetic pool to return into Covenant(s) and by doing so linking God back to his Chosen People.

This makes about as much sense as an African American blaming me for slavery. The son is not guilty for the sins of the father. Not to mention it is totally contrary to Christian dogma! Since [most] Christians believe Jesus was God in the flesh, what you are proposing is that God physically fathered the human race and kicked himself out of Eden. This would have to be one very confused deity.

Watcher wrote:

NoPlanetX wrote:The fact that Eve was stupid enough to ignore GOD

Maybe it was more she ate from the tree of good and evil rather than taking the fruit of the tree of life. Think about it. Had she gone to the tree of life first... she and Adam would have chosen life. Clearly in the story a choice was presented. It was inevitable one would be picked and eaten. Let me illustrate; don't think of a pick elephant! Guess what... you thought of a pink elephant. I know you did. I would have to assume in saying don't do this or that, it was already understood that the mind doesn't (lol) play along well. So, it was as I said inevitable one would be picked and eaten.

No, it was not inevitable. And since the story is allegory, it makes no sense to speculate on the what if.

Watcher wrote:

NoPlanetX wrote:Is Satan a freaking shape shifter

Yes and from a whole separated race from humankind.

Since your belief in Satan is based on your faith, I will not question it. As for my faith, there is no such being.

Watcher wrote:

NoPlanetX wrote:why would Satan (Formerly Lucifer) have anything against the creator of everything

Pride. In Latin, the word "Lucifer", meaning "Light-Bringer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), is a name for the "Morning Star" (the planet Venus in its dawn appearances). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer Lucifer is a title, or role/position given by God. This entity fell from grace (as the story goes) and was strip of the title. The entity has numerous reappearances on the earthly playing field and can be discovered with any study into myth. Here is another clue... Ra (pronounced Rah, and sometimes as Ré) is an ancient Egyptian sun god.

Please explain how the Egyptian mythology of Ra explains a devil.

Watcher wrote:

NoPlanetX wrote:Noah and the Flood Story

Funny you'd mention this... The flood was necessary due to the corrupted gene pool. Noah's genetic code was still pure (from Adam) and was because of this was saved before the whole human race had been genetically corrupted by... you guessed it... A study into the Nephilim will be interesting to say the least.

With all due respect, this is the lamest excuse for the flood story that I've ever read. Are you implying innocent children were corrupt? What about all the animal life? What would God's excuse be for wiping out all life except for those on the Ark? It doesn't matter that He allegedly put two of each type of animal on the Ark. He wiped out an entire planet of life! And before I forget, what of insects and plants?

Here's a reality check. There is no way possible that every single species of animal, insect, and plant life could have fit aboard the Ark. And that's just the species we're aware of! New species are being discovered all the time.

All I can say is that there is a lot more going on right in front of our eyes. It is at least hoped that we as a race are heading towards the Apocalypse which in a nutshell means "lifting of the veil" or "revelation" and is a term applied to the disclosure of something hidden from the majority of humankind. It is truly interesting times!

While I do agree that there will be the lifting of a veil, it is my belief it will be through science, not religion. In my opinion, physics is close to discovering evidence for a possible creator. And the answer lies within a holographic universe. A theory which recently found support within the GEO600 Gravity Wave Experiment. Yes, it truly is interesting times.

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Guest122 wrote:You honestly think that you can understand an entire religion through T.V., websites, etc? For someone who's trying to sound scientific, those are awfully unreliable sources

Yes. It's true. TV and the Internets (As well as BOOKS!) are my only ways of understanding a religion whose notable historical history (Not Biblical, mind you) usually involves: Christians killing Christians, Christians killing Muslims, Christian killing Romans, Muslims killing Christians, Romans killing Christians (Sometimes in Collusemum executions), Christians killing Native Americans, Native Americans killing Christians, and the list goes on an on. True, there are non-bloody events, such as the crowning of Charlemagne as the Holy Roman Emperor, the election of pretty much every single Pope, the Protestant reformation (Which MAY have had some blood), and the dumbest one of all, the founding of Mormonism (Sorry, Mormons). Of course, I'm sure we can agree that Christianity is FAR less stupid than Scientology (Sorry, Scientologists). But I must admit- I could have better sources. Now, on to an even bigger subject...

The Darwin's theory of evolution has already been debunked and is not longer the widely accepted viewpoint.

WOAH! When the heck did that happen? WHEN THE HECK DID WE THROW EVOLUTION OUT THE WINDOW!? Darwin is probably turning in his grave because of that phrase. Not only have I seen no evidence that evolution is false, but I see plenty of evidence that evolution is correct, or at least that Christian creationism is wrong, such as the fact that there were dinosaurs. If God had created Man at the same time He created the Dinosaurs we now see existed through bones and fossils, than God's little project known as Man would have been gobbled up by Tyrannosaurus freaking Rex. Or at least something bigger than a breadbox.

Original sin is an interesting topic. Since were talking theories lets take this one out for a spin. Adam (Son of God) sinned and in doing so became son of man. All the offspring's in the Adamic genetic pool were now subject to being born son of man and in this lowered capacity were living in original sin. Jesus (son of man), returned to abolish or make amends for original sin and return union with the creator which was lost according to the Genesis story. In doing so became the Son of God. Adam and Jesus are one and the same. The sin that Jesus died for was the one he had originally created at the beginning. The cycle is then completed for the whole race with respects of the Adamic genetic pool to return into Covenant(s) and by doing so linking God back to his Chosen People.

I'm just surprised we're not all dumb asses due to years and years of breeding with our great great grandfather's great great granddaughter in-law. And don't say inbreeding won't cause bad effects, because we see it in Hill Billy's. One big inbred family. AND THEY'RE F**KING STUPID. Not all Hill Billy's, but the stereotypes which actually exist. And why the heck does God blame Adam's descendants? It's not like they made him screw up, just as Luke Skywalker didn't make Darth Vader kill his wife, a black Jedi, hundreds of other Jedi, etc. It may seem like a bad comparison, but you'll understand if you research Star Wars a bit. It's not that hard, you'd probably have some luck at your local video store.

I'll do the rest later through edits.

Watcher wrote: The Darwin's theory of evolution has already been debunked and is not longer the widely accepted viewpoint.

fuzoid wrote: Please do not make a statement of fact without supporting it with evidence. Please cite your source(s). And don't you believe debunked is a bit of a stretch?

You're right, it was a harsh statement and lacks some form of validity. However, I can only agree with portions of the theory and other portions I do not. Nor do I feel that the theory can stand up on it's own with all of the claims that it orginally theorized. Even Darwin himself said as much. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Watcher wrote: Since were talking theories lets take this one out for a spin

fuzoid wrote: This makes about as much sense as an African American blaming me for slavery

Thank you for your comments on the presented theory. There are a lot of people and writings that suggest that Adam and Jesus were the same entity. Yes, this goes against Christian dogma since they do not want the belief in reincarnation (literally "to be made flesh again"). Yet "the book" they use clearly indicates and makes mention of this biblical reality within the content of the story they preach. Best example of this is who was John the Baptist? The question of reanimation (if you will) is does the knowledge of the previous incarnation become available to the present one especially considering an quantum reality.

Watcher wrote: taking the fruit of the tree of life

fuzoid wrote: No, it was not inevitable. And since the story is allegory, it makes no sense to speculate on the what if

Sorry, I disagree with you on that point. To speculate is to wonder, to use imagination, to ponder a different idea, or process, or give into wonderment excetera... It is part of the stuff of this cosmos where we find ourselves! Since I wasn't in the allegorical garden or saw or touched the fruit of even know if there was even a fruit, then it is all about speculation. Allegorical interpretation is the approach which assigns a higher-than-literal interpretation to the story or concept which if one doesn't entertain all possiblites potentially gets lost in translation as was probabilly intended by the author.

Using my idea lets speculation that you are Adam and you went up to the tree of life and ate the fruit. How different would things be here if no one died. Would you have kids at 50,000 years old? No, lets wait till we can space travel and get our own planet to raise some rug rats. Would it take our human kids say 100,000 years to become adult size? How long would we send them to school for? Johnny just graduated grade 3000 with honors.

You could say those are all insane thoughts, however, that is what speculation is all about and it is worthy of the time and mental adventure. At least in my humble opnion.

Watcher wrote: The flood was necessary due to the corrupted gene pool

fuzoid wrote: With all due respect, this is the lamest excuse for the flood story that I've ever read.

I understand what you are saying and I thought that same until I read it again then again and yup yup yup even again coming from different sources. Once again, it ties into evolutionary theory. Speculate you are the creator (lowercase intentional) of the known universe. Think of this when you're in the back yard doing some gardening. Did you even notice that you stepped on that ant hill? You're now rearranging a flower basket and pull out a rose with thorns and toss it in the garbage due to the flower being a little wilted or maybe was an off red. Thats your preogative isn't it? You could say as "the creator" that you have an exclusive or special right, power, or privilege. We (as the ants or rose) can only hope (have faith) that mercy, grace, love is part of the consideration in whole the process.

In your holographic universe maybe being all one is simply being all one. Can I kill myself over and over and still be present? Who is suffering then? The childern? My childern(?) or, is it really my_Self and since I know myself is complete with or without this representation of the kids or the universe for that matter then hey... lets create the next moment and move on after all for no better reason than I AM.

With the concept of flood time (40 days/40 nights) and potential human suffering... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe What is the percent of 40 days into 14 billion years? Should I not create a universe and put people in it because there might be some suffering? Gee, I'm going to mark my calendar "Dino Ditto Day" because they were here at one point and then went extinct like 99.9% of all other life on this planet at one point or another. There is a harshness to life. It is called death. At the end of the day it beings meaning to life. Or, at least that is hoped. Buddha says "Nothing is lost in the Universe". Buddha says "Everything Changes" Buddha says "Law of Cause and Effect".

My point being from our perspective our moments are like looking through a microscope and we think our view is so so so important. And so should it be (or at least hoped to be).

In closing, if we (all being here together on this planet) can't have compassion for our neighbour(s) what makes us think that our creator would extend the same courteous act or expression upon us as the created?

Yes truly interesting times and I'm a believer in the self aware universe.

NoPlanetX wrote:WOAH! When the heck did that happen? WHEN THE HECK DID WE THROW EVOLUTION OUT THE WINDOW!? Darwin is probably turning in his grave because of that phrase. Not only have I seen no evidence that evolution is false, but I see plenty of evidence that evolution is correct, or at least that Christian creationism is wrong, such as the fact that there were dinosaurs. If God had created Man at the same time He created the Dinosaurs we now see existed through bones and fossils, than God's little project known as Man would have been gobbled up by Tyrannosaurus freaking Rex. Or at least something bigger than a breadbox.

I wouldn't be too concerned about this because evolution was not proven false nor has it been debunked. Although I have no idea where Watcher is receiving his information, there was a recent article in one of my science magazines that did speak of the Darwinian concept for the tree of life as being wrong. However, this in no way invalidates the theory of evolution. It only means one of the concepts within the theory is wrong. Nothing more.

I had a feeling someone was going to use this information to claim evolution was false. But I expected it to come from the fundamentalist Christian community. And Watcher does not appear to be a member.

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Allarius wrote:Wow,that was such a deeply uninformed bunch of rambling,go look up the term free will,and then go re read your bible,and please look somewhere besides Bruce Almighty for your biblical knowledge.

Wow, that's mighty Christian of you! NOT! As one who is quite familiar with the Bible and who owns around 7 different versions, plus the Strongs, I can state that while NoPlanetX does seem to be slightly misinformed, he hasn't even scratched the surface. I renounced my faith because the Bible is NOT what I thought it was, the word of God. It is a book of irreconcilable contradictions that was written long after the death of Jesus (the NT at least). None of the gospels are of contemporary origin! One would believe if Jesus was everything you believe him to be and the Bible was the word of God that contemporary accounts would exist and none of them would contradict each other. Alas, such is not the case.

Oh, by the way, what you practice is known as Pauline Christianity and has very little to do with what Jesus taught. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but someone had to do it!

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