Believe in God

by **campbell** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:08 am

Mr. Po wrote:Well this is an interesting topic indeed. The return of Christ, in reading this topic I see that not only has someone said the year 2012 but someone else actually knows the EXACT day. Quite hilarious really when the BIBLE CLEARLY states that NOT even the SON knows the day he will return. funny how a bunch of imperfect humans who can't even agree on how they were created or even know what's going to happen a week from now know exactly to the DAY when Jesus will return for us.. It sounds plausable.

This is the first I've ever heard about America being part of the 12 tribles, if I can remember correctly America was discovered what a few hundred years ago? Jesus' time was when? I think a long time before hand. That's like saying Jesus will only come to Australia because we have a church. I'd like to share with you a very important verse, “For who ever believes in me will not perish but have eternal life” John 3:16 It's not about acting good, looking good or being good. In the bible Jesus groups all sin together, sin is sin, it is not measured. So in saying that we are ALL as imperfect as each other.. regardless of whether we go to church pray all day and sing beautiful harmony songs like “amazing grace” In all honesty… When Jesus comes back on his cloud (cloud is used as a depicture or description.. Revelations is not an EXACT to the last detail account to how the second coming will happen but is a guide to prepare us) he won't bring nukes, for why would he use flawed human materials? He won't bring “Other nasty weapons” for how is a God of Love lovely with nasty weapons? Jesus will come back, not with a gun, not with a bomb, not with a knife, but with the truth! The power of Christ. He will not look at your outside and say “You went to church every sabath, come with me… No he will say “You went to every sabath but you never gave your full self to me in faith.” Jesus doesn't want a perfect image, he doesn't want someone who can look good and say all the right things at all the right times. Look at the parasphies? Jesus attacked them more than ANYONE else in his entire lifes work. Why? Because they said they were one thing but were another!

Jesus doesn't want your religious behaviour, he doesn't want your greatest performance, he wants YOU! Who gets the glory if you look like a Christian? YOU! God doesn't want that, God wants you to give HIM glory and you can ONLY do that by giving your life to Christ, not just your image! Let me just show you how ridiculous this idea of knowing when he is coming back is: One of you mentioned that as of the day that the pope stepped into America there would only be 1260 days left… Now let me say.. Do you really think God would allow this? Because if this was the case, we could just forbid the pope from ever going to America and keep the world going forever right? That right there says WE have the control when WE don't! People have been saying for hundreds of years, Jesus is coming now because life is just so bad, world war 1 and 2 for instance.. but hey 70 years later we're still here! Jesus will come when he is called to by God and that will be in God's own time… in Mathew chapter 6 it says “Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to their life?” So who are we to think by doing anything we can shorten the time in which we next see Jesus on earth?

If you want to discuss this more with me email me at fred_po@hotmail.com I will be more than happy to discuss this matter with you further.

God bless.

AMEN!

by **mucksittingup** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:16 pm

It's amazing all these religious types pay attention to what seems to be an empirical website. Have any of you God believers ever read any Carl Sagan? Or Kurt Vonnegut? Or watched Star Trek? Or watched Zeitgeist? That last one is a bit touchy, but seriously.... We live on a planet that is (according to us) unique and special. But the truth is we have no IDEA what is out there. WE are puny compared to the ever-expanding vastness of the universe. Why would God choose us? There are (give or take) a hundred billion stars in our galaxy. There are a hundred billion galaxies in the VISIBLE universe. We are not chosen, special or favored. God is a human construct. We made him up, or more accurately, God is an evolving idea that spans thousands of years BEFORE some guy named Jesus supposedly came along.

Spirituality is a BIOLOGICAL mechanism. A mechanism that has helped our species flourish, because it reduces anxiety, and to a certain extent, brings people together in harmony. (Sorry creationists!) 10,000 years ago, we were exploding in numbers, and so needed a mechanism to help us get along and survive, in the same way that sex feels good. Every single emotion anyone has ever felt is a biological mechanism resulting from millions of years of evolution. Read a book called The World In Six Songs, by Daniel Levitin to get a glimpse of what I'm talking about. It's really depressing to hear such nonsense being perpetuated in this day and age. Brainwashing is alive and well in the 21st century.

Even if the world gets wiped out by an asteroid, God will have had nothing to do with it. The Earth has been smashed so many times in its history, where do you think the moon comes from? Any of you God nuts into quantum mechanics?

fuzoid · by **fuzoid** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:39 pm

LogicAndChrist wrote:
dicmandic1 wrote:I would except the presents of GOD if i had proof.God is a fictional being.Noboby has ever snapped a picture of him since he was invented.The bible was an invention to try and keep the world from lying/killing each other and to give false hope to the elderly.
2012 will bring a change to this.The bible will be proven false and thrown out , all aspects of religion will be abolished as well.
People who believe in god might as well just go to the movies.

Nobody needed to snap shot a photo of him, when he stood before thousands on Earth as the son, you know as Christ Jesus.

And you know this how? Please produce any contemporary documents that speak of his existence. Just one would suffice.

The Romans, some of the most meticulous record keepers on the planet, even stated that the Man known as Jesus Christ, to many, walked the Earth (Cornelius Tacitus, Lucian of Samosata).

Cornelius Tacitus was born 55 CE and died 120 CE. Lucian of Samosata was born 125 CE and died some time after 180 CE. Ironically neither were alive during the time Jesus was alleged to have lived. So any history they wrote about Jesus was based on hearsay. So much for being meticulous records keepers!

Speaking of ironic, all four Gospels and Josephus' history of Jesus is also based on hearsay. In other words, there is not a single contemporary document that speaks of the existence of Jesus. And since he was alleged to have stood before thousands and is supposed to have performed all sorts of miracles (e.g. feeding thousands with a single fish and a single loaf of bread), you would think something contemporary would have been written about him! But there is only silence.

Whether or not you believe him to be the Son of God will be told in time only.

http://www.sowhataboutjesus.com/existed.php

Whether or not he actually existed, not even time will tell! Unless you have access to contemporary documents the rest of the worlds historians don't?

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by **Prophetic** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:38 pm

Yes, we need to study our Holy Scriptures that warn us about coming catastrophes in order to bring us to repentance and to God. As we seek for truth we will most certainly find God in everything around us, including the disasters prophesied to bring us closer to God.

fuzoid · by **fuzoid** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:06 pm

Follower of Christ wrote:
new life wrote:There is no God common people.It's good to believe in a religion but it's better to believe in your self.I can't believe in something that controls my life,I control my own life.
You atheist!!! your soul will burn in hell for all eternity, for the devil has blinded you in the way of the lord,

How very Christian of you! Do you now claim to be God? When did He give you the power and authority to condemn a soul to hell? And what's up with this eternity garbage? Your Christian forebears believed and taught Universal Salvation. Are you claiming they were wrong?

as the lord jesus said" forgive these people father, they do not know what they are doing",

In any event, you are quoting the words of an individual you can't even prove existed! How is it possible to quote someone who may not have existed? How is it possible to rely on anything attributed to someone who can't be shown to have ever existed?

if you need proof go to "godandscience.org".

I checked out this site. And while it is refreshing to read a Christian who takes science seriously (as much as a Christian can), none of it is proof for the existence of God. I also noted that the site author relies almost exclusively on Dr. Hugh Ross (a Christian physicist) for his physics related material. There's just one huge problem with this, Ross allows his faith to influence his science. In his book The Fingerprint of God, he went on the record that it was a mathematical impossibility for extra-solar planets to exist. I'm paraphrasing a bit here but in a nutshell, this was his basic claim. He has been proven wrong more than 300 times. Additionally, he constantly refers to the Anthropic Principle as proof that God created the universe for the benefit of humanity, a principle that has been shown to be unscientific. And these are just a couple of examples.

God bless

Spoken like a true fundie Christian. Condemn with one hand and bless with the other. Hypocrisy of the highest order!

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fuzoid · by **fuzoid** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:13 pm

mucksittingup wrote:Any of you God nuts into quantum mechanics?

This one is. Quite heavily in fact! And I prefer believer, thank you. In any event, what of it? Do you have some special insight that I'm not already aware of?

I'll be waiting for your answer because I'm very curious by what you may have to offer. Actually, this is the very type of debate I've been waiting on. Fire away!

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fuzoid · by **fuzoid** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:00 pm

I would like to respond to your message more appropriately. I was in a rush last night and only touched on your quantum mechanics question.

mucksittingup wrote:It's amazing all these religious types pay attention to what seems to be an empirical website.

What site would that be? I hope you're not referring to this one because it is anything but empircal.

Have any of you God believers ever read any Carl Sagan?

Yes. And it was a sad day when he passed on. What of him?

Or Kurt Vonnegut?

Yes. Wasn't as sad when he passed on. But I did appreciate his humanist qualities. What of him?

Or watched Star Trek?

Please! What of it?

Or watched Zeitgeist? That last one is a bit touchy, but seriously....

Just the beginning. I've been meaning to watch it in its entirety. Maybe today? What of it?

We live on a planet that is (according to us) unique and special. But the truth is we have no IDEA what is out there. WE are puny compared to the ever-expanding vastness of the universe. Why would God choose us? There are (give or take) a hundred billion stars in our galaxy. There are a hundred billion galaxies in the VISIBLE universe. We are not chosen, special or favored.

No argument from me! And if a God did create the universe, all living things regardless of species or the planet they live on would be special. Meaning there are no chosen or favored, in my opinion.

God is a human construct. We made him up, or more accurately, God is an evolving idea that spans thousands of years BEFORE some guy named Jesus supposedly came along.

Prove it. You are making an absolute claim with no empirical evidence to back up your assertion. Therefore you are presenting opinion, nothing more. If you want to make a convincing case, support it.

Spirituality is a BIOLOGICAL mechanism.

To a degree, you are correct. In an article titled, Born Believers: How Your Brain Creates God, in the 4 February 2009 edition of New Scientist (you can read the article here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... s-god.html), there does appear to be evidence that our brains are wired for belief in a God. But to claim it is fully a biological mechanism while ignoring related evidence from different disciplines (e.g. the NDE) is not only unscientific, it is opinion. Please support your opinion.

A mechanism that has helped our species flourish, because it reduces anxiety, and to a certain extent, brings people together in harmony. (Sorry creationists!) 10,000 years ago, we were exploding in numbers, and so needed a mechanism to help us get along and survive, in the same way that sex feels good. Every single emotion anyone has ever felt is a biological mechanism resulting from millions of years of evolution.

Once again you are drawing a conclusion based on incomplete evidence. While your suggestion has been repeated in the aforementioned New Scientist article, as you will note if you read it, those who have conducted this research will not claim it as an absolute. In other words, they have no idea why our brains are wired to be believers! Ironically, you'll also read that so-called athiests are believers as well when convenient or when the need arises.

Read a book called The World In Six Songs, by Daniel Levitin to get a glimpse of what I'm talking about.

While I haven't read this book, I have read the reviews. So I'm not in a position to comment on it. However, while I do believe that music is an integral part of who we are, I will not go out on a limb and claim it as a product of evolution. Besides my faith in a God, music is one of the most important aspects of my life and to me, it is universal and spiritual in nature, not biological.

It's really depressing to hear such nonsense being perpetuated in this day and age.

What's more depressing is that individuals on both sides of the fence take stubborn dogmatic positions without considering all the evidence, whether it be empirical, anecdotal, or circumstantial. Y'all draw conclusions based on incomplete evidence and draw a line in the sand, refusing to cross it because it would conflict with your ill-conceived notions about who you are and your so-called reality. Try stepping outside of the box sometime and you just may be pleasantly surprised!

Brainwashing is alive and well in the 21st century.

Sadly, yes it is.

Even if the world gets wiped out by an asteroid, God will have had nothing to do with it. The Earth has been smashed so many times in its history, where do you think the moon comes from?

No argument from me on this!

Any of you God nuts into quantum mechanics?

And we reach the end with one of my favorite subjects. As answered previously, quite heavily. And in my opinion, I say the evidence points towards the possible existence of a God/Creator. Care to take up the challenge?

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katel · by **katel** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:59 pm

There seems to me for everyone, that can produce written text whether ancient or contemporary that God exist there is one, that says it can be proven he does not exist. I think believing is part brain innate, a wanting to belong to something greater then themselves, that I would call spirituality. A problem I am dealing with is I was reared in a bible believing home only to discover as an adult that half or most of bible is not all truths. Archeology and the bible years don’t match. I do realize there is a split fence on that concept, but no one could convince me that the bible time frames match man’s time here on earth. Nonetheless, I do believe in something greater then our biblical concept of a god. I see the biblical god that punishes, kills, and encourages killing, then leaves instructions for mankind do as I say, not as I do. I see wonder in the universe and what seems to be perfect by design. How does every planet and star work itself into the scheme if it were nothing but an accident? Maybe that perfection came by accident, but what a freak of nature to our ability to accept a coincidence. My own logic, If I may, doesn’t allow me to think the universe was created out of a freak, or big bang without some help.

by **Mymasamune** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:26 am

Adam wrote:to make a long story short, here is what you need to know:
1.. area 51 was a meeting place between men and aliens who helped us to improve our technology, but they kinda fight and left mad!!…so scientists were and are trying to you duplicate the flying sucers in order to be ready to face an invasion…..
2.. mayan had something to do with aliens too and they sad something will change the world by 2012.
3.the Coran and the Bible talk about extraordinary creatures who will invade us and will be rescued by Jesus…..
I think 2012 will let us see this.....

To believe that you know the exact time and place of God's return is blasphemous. I believe that the Bible states that God will come like a thief in the night and that we know not the day or the hour. Maybe you won't take this into consideration now but perhaps in 2013?

devil666 · by **devil666** » Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:16 pm

Mymasamune wrote:
Adam wrote:to make a long story short, here is what you need to know:
1.. area 51 was a meeting place between men and aliens who helped us to improve our technology, but they kinda fight and left mad!!…so scientists were and are trying to you duplicate the flying sucers in order to be ready to face an invasion…..
2.. mayan had something to do with aliens too and they sad something will change the world by 2012.
3.the Coran and the Bible talk about extraordinary creatures who will invade us and will be rescued by Jesus…..
I think 2012 will let us see this.....

To believe that you know the exact time and place of God's return is blasphemous. I believe that the Bible states that God will come like a thief in the night and that we know not the day or the hour. Maybe you won't take this into consideration now but perhaps in 2013?

I just don't understand all you bible thumping followers and islam and what ever you blindly regard as the the way to god. It gets right up my nose, it seems most stem from one encounter in the past. You are all so corrupted by your writings you would most likely kill the real god if you could on his return. Your faith blinds you from the truth and if that's blasphemous then so what. Man is far better off without religion and its appalling misery its caused to man to the advantage of others. I have no time for any of you except those who live good honest lives and the good of others.

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