Perhaps I have missed something here, but has anyone actually defined "antiChrist"? Although I think there are larger and smaller scales, Anti means against, and Christ.... I once heard it explained as any person who intentionally tries to destroy another's god given self esteem. I am a child of God, and should treat everyone else as such.

Christ will one day be the head of government here on the earth. I wonder what kind of democracy that will be, likely a Theodemocracy. The great fake to that system would be a world order under the Anti Christ.

The following is an insert into the record of the Jaredites by the writer, Mormon, as he was abridging their history, as directed by the Lord, for the express purpose of having it come forth in our day, as a warning to us:

Ether 2: 7-12 (Here he is referring to the area of Babal, where the tower of Babal was built, and languages were confused. Jared and his family were spared of this and guided by God to America to preserve their faithfulness to God)
7 And the Lord would not suffer that they should stop beyond the sea in the wilderness, but he would that they should come forth even unto the land of promise, which was choice above all other lands, which the Lord God had preserved for a righteous people.
8 And he had sworn in his wrath unto the brother of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.
9 And now, we can behold the decrees of God concerning this land, that it is a land of promise; and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall serve God, or they shall be swept off when the fulness of his wrath shall come upon them. And the fulness of his wrath cometh upon them when they are ripened in iniquity.
10 For behold, this is a land which is choice above all other lands; wherefore he that doth possess it shall serve God or shall be swept off; for it is the everlasting decree of God. And it is not until the fulness of iniquity among the children of the land, that they are swept off.
11 And this cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God—that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.
12 Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written.
(This is reference to America, North and South)

Mormon here was writing at the end of a once vibrant society, now gone awry, in about 400 AD. The Jaredite society he was writing about had been destroyed 1000 years earlier, thus making two times the American nation had been destroyed. So, when Mormon repeats his message over and over, it is for a good reason. He has witnessed the destruction, as prophesied would take place, and he was to record it for us to learn from at a later date.

I don't know if I'm out of line here by quoting from the Book of Mormon. I've been reading posts from this forum for a couple of weeks, and though I'm no scholar, I do know scripture, and like to talk from that perspective. I find it throws another light on the subject

rinah wrote:Sorry, there are so many posts to dig through, and I tried and came up with no response to this. So to all you Christian folk out there I ask this, when the supposed Antichrist destroys the world, will he do it on purpose?

Another question, people keep talking about how Obama may be the Antichrist, so to all you firm believers in this, when you picture the "world" ending, is it just the United States that get destroyed? Does anyone have any stories of possible Antichrists in other countries? I mean I know you guys are powerful, and the Mayans mentioned something about north America, but still, there is a whole big world out there with lots of yucky people. I guess I'm looking for some non-American opinions on this one.

Thanks!

Hi Rinah, Yes the anti-christ will know what he is doing when he do it. First off the world won't be destroyed. When the bible says this world will be destroyed, it's speaking of this world's system of doing things. If you read the bible, it tells you the meek will inherit the earth. So if the meek will inherit the earth then the earth won't be destroyed, only the wicked people of it.

CJ wrote:Why do you Christians always talk about matters that require faith as if they are fact?
It is just YOUR belief. I'd love to hear some of you say 'this is what we believe'....but instead you always make reference to the fact that anyone in doubt MUST accept the message or be doomed.

This is not even something you can prove to yourself. It is something that requires your faith.

This is what I believe. If I choose to pick up the bible, what I will know is that I am reading a version that has been through the editorial process of the middle ages.

I'd also think can someone please explain what Jesus was doing between the ages of 12 and 30. I'd also want to know what happened to the many thousands/millions of souls that existed in B.C times.....since they could not have accepted the word of a religion that did not exist in it's current format, did that automatically make them 'anti-christs' as you put it?

I'm not disputing the religion, I am Christian by baptism, although non-practicing.....what I'm saying is that it is not right to state that people like me have something to fear from not believing what you do. I can be a good person without being religious and it's my hope that if a god exists he/she it, will accept that. If that is not the case, then I am a slave and this entity is my enemy!!

Hi CJ, I agree that some things deal with faith, but others are just Fact!!!!! As far as what happened with Jesus between the ages of 12-30 are not important to your salvation. Obviously he had to be in study. Meaning in preparation for His time. Moreover.... as to what happened to the thousand/millions of souls that existed in B.C. time. The bible says Jesus went down into hell, and preached to those souls for the three days that the bible says He was presumed dead. They say hell was emptied, and Our LORD Jesus took the keys of hell from Satan. Thus His work was finished.

Ladies and gentleman. You must be careful of what you say. Make sure you know what your talking about. Now it's clear that the Mormons have not the slightest idea what their talking about. First God's way of doing things is a way of life, not a religion. The way he created us to live was His way, to walk in His foot steps. Proof: Genesis 1:26 God said let us make man in our image and in our likeness. What does that mean? God created us too love, too care, too share, too watch over one another, but most of all too worship Him. To love Him with all our heart, all our mind, with all our soul. Proof: John 13:34, 14:21,and15:9-13. Now that's Love. So guess what we were created out of LOVE. The number one source. The 2 greatest commandments. Jesus said to Love God with all our heart, all our mind, with all our soul. Second Love your neighbor as you Love yourself.These are all action commands. All a way of life. We are our brothers keeper.We were also created to live in the spirit, not in the flesh, for God is a Spirit. Proof: John 4:24 God is a Spirit , and those that worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. So being that God is a Spirit, and the bible says God said He created us in His image and likeness then in reality we are WHAT? We're made too live in WHAT? Love is the spirit of the heart. The flesh is what we need to operate in the earth realm, but it's not important to the spirit.

rinah wrote:Sorry, there are so many posts to dig through, and I tried and came up with no response to this. So to all you Christian folk out there I ask this, when the supposed Antichrist destroys the world, will he do it on purpose?

Another question, people keep talking about how Obama may be the Antichrist, so to all you firm believers in this, when you picture the "world" ending, is it just the United States that get destroyed? Does anyone have any stories of possible Antichrists in other countries? I mean I know you guys are powerful, and the Mayans mentioned something about north America, but still, there is a whole big world out there with lots of yucky people. I guess I'm looking for some non-American opinions on this one.

Thanks!

I believe the reality is function of all the old existing believes without any exception..., Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Maoism...etc it's only one equation that includes the best of everything of those believes...etc

Reality = f (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism Hinduism, Judaism, Maoism...etc) = ?

None is true on its own; just forget about that, and forever! They complement each other, and it’s only selfishness that destroying this world...

None is God a part from the unique true God.

I can not believe some of the comments that I'm reading here. First of all I will be the first to admit that I do not know everything. Therefore, I will not try to respond to a question with an uneducated answer, like I'm reading. I believe that Obama being the anti-Christ was started by non-Christians to scare people into not voting for him. (Get Real) you don't know your facts about history and your showing it in a proud display of ignorance. The Christians did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire and did not destroy ancient knowledge. The romans persecuted Christians. The Roman's destroyed themselves. Also, it was Muslims who burnt down the libraries that held all the ancient writings of knowledge! Muslims also took valuable Christian artifacts and destroyed so the people wouldn't see. I did not learn that from the Bible. I learned that from reading history books! (CJ) WOW! Where do I even start with you? Religion did exist before Jesus in a covenant from God to his people. (Moses and the 10 Commandments). Jesus was sent to earth with a promise of a new covenant for all people. The Bible says you will not see the Kingdom of God with (good person acts alone). John 14:6. Faith without deeds is dead. James 2:17. You can deny all you want and the fact is that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. That is a fact because I BELIEVE and nothing you or anyone else can say will ever change my mind. (John 20:29 says "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.")

Hi CJ, I agree that some things deal with faith, but others are just Fact!!!!! As far as what happened with Jesus between the ages of 12-30 are not important to your salvation. Obviously he had to be in study. Meaning in preparation for His time. Moreover.... as to what happened to the thousand/millions of souls that existed in B.C time. The bible says Jesus went down into hell, and preached to those souls for the three days that the bible says He was presumed dead. The says hell was emptied, and Our LORD Jesus took the keys of hell from Satan. Thus His work was finished.[/quote]

Hi . Facts aren't facts unless they are proven to be so and when it comes down to religion you're pretty much dealing with faith. I'm sure the bible is jammed full of facts, but the things that require that leap of faith are unproven from the non-believers perspective. I'm glad you brought up the fact that Jesus was studying because that is the commonly held theory. That for me raises the question - if a person had a hotline to god, why would he need to study and who or what was he studying from? If he was studying, that would imply to me that he did not have divine knowledge, that he learned perhaps from other religious scholars. Since he is said to have been the one who delivered the word, then he alone should be the source. I can't argue on the point about Jesus going into hell because not only is it something i know zero about, I've never even heard of that before.

Just because matters require faith doesn't make them wrong in my eyes, you could be absolutely bang on the money. I'm guessing you know far more about the bible than I do...my point though was basically that if something requires faith it is not a fact. if you had stated in your original post that, that was your 'belief' I doubt I would have posted at all.

SY wrote:I can not believe some of the comments that I'm reading here. First of all I will be the first to admit that I do not know everything. Therefore I will not try to respond to a question with an uneducated answer, like I'm reading. I believe that Obama being the anti-Christ was started by non-Christians to scare people into not voting for him. (Get Real) you don't know your facts about history and your showing it in a proud display of ignorance. The Christians did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire and did not destroy ancient knowledge. The romans persecuted Christians. The Roman's destroyed themselves. Also, it was Muslims who burnt down the libraries that held all the ancient writings of knowledge! Muslims also took valuable Christian artifacts and destroyed so the people wouldn't see. I did not learn that from the Bible. I learned that from reading history books! (CJ) WOW! Where do I even start with you? Religion did exist before Jesus in a covenant from God to his people. (Moses and the 10 Commandments). Jesus was sent to earth with a promise of a new covenant for all people. The Bible says you will not see the Kingdom of God with (good person acts alone). John 14:6. Faith without deeds is dead. James 2:17. You can deny all you want and the fact is that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. That is a fact because I BELIEVE and nothing you or anyone else can say will ever change my mind. (John 20:29 says "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.")

You and me are just a dot in space, and what we know is less than a dot in space... Just calm down and live with the entire world with its differences... etc. We are all making just a big circle by navigating close to our narrowed selfishness , while the End is one, it's written even before your first ancestor was born... Just live and learn and be friendly to everyone...

I find it funny that a lot of people that post on this website are religious nuts.
You are mixing facts from the Bible, the Mayan calendar, and Nostradamus predictions.
Have you people forgotten that the church didn't like Nostradamus?
If you believe everything from the Bible and what the church tells you, then you then you should think that Nostradamus was a witch and everything that he predicted were lies from the Devil. Also, (if your religion is correct) all other religions are wrong.

And yet, you still you talk about a Christian anti-christ and support your theories with quotes from this site and crap about 2012.

I'm asking you all to think for yourselves! Don't believe what crack-pot religious fanatics tell you! You spend your life thinking that the world will end at any moment and pray every day, and you soon become miserable because you never take the time to enjoy yourself. But then you think to yourself, 'Don't worry, all this will pay off and I will have a chance to be happy in heaven'. What if your wrong? What if there is no God or Heaven? (now, I know you are thinking 'that's not possible', but believe me, it is very possible) So, if you are wrong and your church is wrong and you waste your life praying to no one.... then when you die you don't have a second chance to re-do your life. You my friend have wasted your only life.

Just think about it.

SY wrote:I can not believe some of the comments that I'm reading here. First of all I will be the first to admit that I do not know everything. Therefor I will not try to respond to a question with an uneducated answer, like I'm reading. I believe that Obama being the anti-Christ was started by non-Christians to scare people into not voting for him. (Get Real) you don't know your facts about history and your showing it in a proud display of ignorance. The Christians did not cause the downfall of the Roman Empire and did not destroy ancient knowledge. The romans persecuted Christians. The Roman's destroyed themselves. Also, it was Muslims who burnt down the libraries that held all the ancient writings of knowledge! Muslims also took valuable Christian artifacts and destroyed so the people wouldn't see. I did not learn that from the Bible. I learned that from reading history books! (CJ) WOW! Where do I even start with you? Religion did exist before Jesus in a covenant from God to his people. (Moses and the 10 Commandments). Jesus was sent to earth with a promise of a new covenant for all people. The Bible says you will not see the Kingdom of God with (good person acts alone). John 14:6. Faith without deeds is dead. James 2:17. You can deny all you want and the fact is that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. That is a fact because I BELIEVE and nothing you or anyone else can say will ever change my mind. (John 20:29 says "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.")

LOL - I found this bit funny (CJ) WOW! Where do I even start with you?
I'm not mocking you it just brought smile to my face.

Of course religion existed before Jesus, that much is obvious, but I made the point that it wasn't Christianity in the sense we recognize it today or even A.D and therefore people in B.C. were not practicing in a way that Christians say people should in order to be saved. So I asked what was their fate according to Christianity. The point has been countered and someone has made reference to Jesus going into hell and saving souls.....I'm happy enough that there is at least some form of explanation and don't have any intention of arguing the point.

Everything you said after that point again requires faith and a belief in the bible as the true word.....Again I say to another Christian......This is NOT fact and you say it is. It's fact according to your belief system....nothing more.

If god doesn't want me in heaven then I guess I'll just have to accept that. What I won't accept is people saying things are facts when they are not, especially people pointing to religion as proof. If it's fact....prove it!!