Accepting the Mayan 2012 prophecy logically

by **ddd** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:22 pm

TheAlien01 wrote:
I did.

Sure mate. No worries

TheAlien01 · by **TheAlien01** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:27 pm

NoPlanetX wrote:
TheAlien01 wrote:
themanthelegend wrote:And you totally ignored the points I raised regarding your predictions. And you've still to prove that these predictions have come true.

Well it's not my responsibility to do your research for you. I answered your question with a legitimate response but, you seem to be wanting to make this into an issue of some kind. I don't mind a good discussion but your trying to disprove something without knowing what it is. I suggest just opening a Bible and reading it and then realizing for yourself just how close to the end of days we are. I enjoy a good discussion as long it its an unbiased discussion that isn't based on one persons inability to accept the points put out as truthful. Run a couple of Google searches and you won't need me to find your answers for you.
Peace and don't let religion be such a millstone around your neck. It's a good thing if you let it be, really.
The Alien

You really should prove your case with some solid evidence before you go making crazy claims. If you expect everyone else to go find the information, that's really not going to help prove yourself, now is it? It would be like if the man in that saying was neither given a fish or taught how to fish, but is instead expected to learn himself. The man will probably starve, and he definitely won't be following the person who neither gave him a fish or taught him how to fish. And do you understand what unbiased means? Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines it as "free from bias ; free from bias ; especially : free from all prejudice and favoritism : eminently fair <an unbiased opinion>". So an unbiased conversation would barely have any actual "conversation" and more "stating objective facts that have already been proven true", with examples being that the Earth is round, things can hurt, fish can swim, ect. You can not have an unbiased conversation with something like religion unless you say thing we know for sure like the Bible is a book, Muslims generally live in the Middle East, Hindus believe in many Gods, ect. You cannot have a unbiased conversation on an issue such as Christianity being the true religion, because there are plenty of people, including me, who think that is flat out untrue. Buddhists, Hindus. Confucians, and Taoists are a few examples, though I am not any of them. You religious nuts need to realize that your religious beliefs aren't the only ones out there.

These are not crazy claims,these are fact based and documented.
I'm not going to go through the Bible listing every single event chronologically.And you are side tracking the focus of the original post.When I have more time I may sit down and do your homework for you but for now I'm busy with living a life.
As for the bias, if a person has some chip on their shoulder regarding religion then they will do this sort of thing to side track the issue in order to cause arguments rather then discussions.I'm not going to be baited.
Go back to the original post and try not to focus on one thing that is only mentioned as a passing note.And consider what the thread was about instead.
Thanks
Peace
The Alien

TheAlien01 · by **TheAlien01** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:32 pm

Epshot wrote:Well.....
I'd have to say it's all B.S.
Alien01 likes to look smart but all of his rebuttals and all of his stories are straight from text's he didn't write. Copy and paste. Control + C, Control + V. All in all, religion period is something designed to control the masses. In my opinion. From texts I've read, movies and documentaries I've seen. I'm not educated on the subject but from what I've been exposed to It seems to me that it's all a form of control. Some religions demand more from their believers than others. Some require you to fast and pray every few hours to be deemed worthy of being called a worshiper. Some are more passive and require less from their followers to be deemed 'part of their religion'. It's all a form of control. Illusion.

I'll speak about the bible for now.
There was once a time when the bible was thought to process all the answers to existence. But now as humans we know theres MORE to life than just 'Alakazam Ala kazoo BAM theres life!'. It's scientific. There are so many uncountable factors that contribute to the existence of life on this planet that can ONLY be explained by careful observance and scientific experiment and documentation. Such balanced and easily disturbed ecosystems can only be the result of evolution over generations by EVERY plant and creature simultaneously, all reacting to one another's behavior. Being able to see solar systems, stars, and recently planets on the far reaches of our galaxy can only be accredited to science and the hard work and determination of MAN KIND (NOT GOD) to find the origins of our existence, and the future of our race.

The bible is a relatively short book. Such a book could not contain all the answers to our origin, or our fate. If we truly new the origin of ourselves, life itself, and the fate of ourselves and our planet it would require a much larger space to be printed on. Theres so much more to it. And theres so much more OUT there than the bible would want you to know about or care about. We're in 2009 A.D... Why has it taken so long for our said savior to arrive, especially when we and our planet need him/her/it the most? People sit in mass every Sunday and pray for a better world tomorrow. Why not just MAKE one? Start by nurturing the great teet we're all still suckling on, mother nature. Our planet is our lifeblood. We need it to survive yet we fight wars that destroy it in every way possible. We fight war over religions/beliefs, skin color, creed, women, labor, resources, territory... And all these wars further collapse the earths stock of available resources which sustain our human race.

Forget about old and obsolete belief systems that blind you to reality. These belief systems that halt the progression and evolution of the human race. Focus on building on our sciences, and technologies and we can achieve a greater tomorrow for everyone on the planet. Everyone. God, Allah, Buddha, Rha, Zeus... it doesn't matter which god you believe in. None of them are helping us now in times of great need, war, and famine around our globe. It's US who have to act, and develop the technologies and sciences to HELP EACH OTHER. And help everyone who is deserving, which is everyone worldwide regardless of beliefs or skin color.

2012? Mayan Calendar? Bible? Karon? Get real. Wake up. Screw all your Intellectual materialism, reciting bible passages and copy/pasting wikipedia notes... Do something to HELP people. Don't just push your beliefs.

I don't copy and paste. I inform and pass on theories and ideas.
Apparently you have been blinded by the ways of the world and are unable to openly recognize the truths found in the Bible.That is unfortunate for you.Because whether or not you choose to believe,the biblical prophecies relating to the end times and the second will come to pass and more then likely will take place in your lifetime.
If you are a scientologist,congratulations for following false prophets.

As for why I post here...its an open forum.If you don't like what I say or do you don't have to read my posts.
And sorry,I won't be baited into an argument.
Take Care and God Bless.
The Alien

by **Chrissie** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:28 pm

Hi Alien

Might I just ask as you so obviously have such a good and accurate knowledge of the bible why your name ??? You know as well as I that our creator has assured us emphatically we are the only inhabited planet in the universe. It just seems strange to call yourself Alien

With love

Chrissie

TheAlien01 · by **TheAlien01** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:58 am

Chrissie wrote:Hi Alien

Might I just ask as you so obviously have such a good and accurate knowledge of the bible why your name ??? You know as well as I that our creator has assured us emphatically we are the only inhabited planet in the universe. It just seems strange to call yourself Alien

With love

Chrissie

My Other name is Godz...any more questions?
hehehe

by **cepeh** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:17 am

Have you heard of the prediction which goes like the first black pope signifies the end of the world? I think it was Nostradamus. In my opinion, he was referring to Barrack Obama. I know Obama is not a pope, but his stature today as the most powerful man in the world is comparable to the stature of popes in Nostradamus' time (popes were the most powerful back then as they held bot political and spiritual power). Strange that Obama's term ends on..... 2012. weird huh?

isomer13 · by **isomer13** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:48 pm

Logically,

Jesus prophesied all of the following within the 24th chapter of Matthew}

The End of the World ,The Gathering Up of the Saints, Judgment Day, The Glorious "Second Coming".

Jesus specifically prophesied that all of the above events would take place before the end of the First Century, as indicated by his specifying the time limits being the lifetime of the people who heard him live back in 33 CE. These prophesied events did not take place in the time span laid down by Jesus himself. Therefore, the only logical and reasonable conclusion to be drawn is this: Regardless of anything else you may currently believe about Jesus, and regardless of how much you may currently love Jesus, nevertheless Jesus was as much a FALSE PROPHET as anybody else who makes false prophecies about the future. To conclude anything else is to be self- deceived and dishonest.

Additionally , there are many other prophecies in both the Old and New Testament's that haven't , can't and will never be fulfilled. IE:the continuous bloodline of the foretold messiah, in line from David, just one.....and we'll forget the mistranslated "virgin"birth too. Theres more.

So many hopes, so many dreams, so many schemes.

The claim that you must believe in the Mayan god(god mentality)stems from the belief that there must be a god(s) of some sort.
This has nothing to do with the accuracy or validity of the Mayan astronomical calculations and observations,which, when you remove the god connotations are a point of interest.
There are many other interesting, factual, scientifically based tidbits of knowledge contained within ancient mans understanding of the world.
None of which require the existence of gods.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." (Stephen Roberts)

by **norangka** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:15 pm

Unless we lived in the Mayan times ourself none of us will really know what happened back then.
Since the fun-loving 'Christians'* came to south America and wiped out the indigenous culture there,
all we have are history records, which as the name says itself is "his-story", generally the story of 'Christian' historians.

These people have no vested interest in recording accurately the Mayan customs, practices or beliefs, they do however have a vested interest in giving it a bad name and promoting Christianity, even tho they are not following it themselves.

Christianity has often been the tool of world domination since the age of the Roman empire.
Just as the Ottoman empire misused Islam.

Lets just interpret these many scripts from different religions, they all have much in common, and there lies the crux of the truth.
And remember, God never wrote a book, people did. And with that comes human error.
If we just listen to our hearts and follow what we know to be pure, we will be well on our way to creating a better world for ourselves. Organized religion has shown itself to be corrupted from the top down for centuries... at least 2000 years counting from Roman times, I don't accept that there's enough accurate history records left from before then since the 'Christians' were fond of destroying these 'ungodly works'.

*I use Christian between 'quotation fingers' as these people were breaking the commandment "thou shalt not kill" for starters, don't get me started on the rest.

By the way, I find Jesus a good role model.

by **Maxxclip** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:58 am

Accepting the Mayan prophecy is accepting the wrath of living God.

TheAlien01 · by **TheAlien01** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:56 pm

Maxxclip wrote:Accepting the Mayan prophecy is accepting the wrath of living God.

Ive brought this up before..
Thessalonians 5:20-21

peace
The Alien

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