WOW!!! all these scientific explanations based on the knowledge of less than 1% understanding of our galaxy. Lets be a bit more humble and stop pretending that we know something. The truth is no one knows for sure one way or the other. You are arguing over hypothesis, estimations and predictions! Do you get it? I will tell you this, if there is someone that knows of some comet trajectory that is coming to earth, they are being very quiet!!!

@guest (get a username, will you, damnit?)
1% understanding of our galaxy? Admit it, you pulled that out of your ass. We don't need to know where everything is in our galaxy (although I'm fairly sure we have mapped a lot of the stars in our galaxy). The important thing is knowing how things work. And I really don't think we'd be able to do the kind of things we can (fission, fusion and space travel come to mind) with a '1%' understanding of how things work. At any rate, we know enough to predict the paths of comets to some extent, provided we know where they are and where and how fast they are traveling.

no one knows for sure one way or the other.

However, we can pretty damn sure. Extinction sized asteroids or comets come on the order of millions of years. That makes it extremely unlikely that one will hit us in 2012. That said, it is possible. But then, a lot of things are possible, but they don't happen because they are so hugely unlikely.

Guest wrote:WOW!!! all these scientific explanations based on the knowledge of less than 1% understanding of our galaxy. Lets be a bit more humble and stop pretending that we know something. The truth is no one knows for sure one way or the other. You are arguing over hypothesis, estimations and predictions! Do you get it? I will tell you this, if there is someone that knows of some comet trajectory that is coming to earth, they are being very quiet!!!

Hi, I don't normally reply to someone without a user name, so here is a hypothesis for you. Mankind is coming to a point of mass over population. We breed like rats, our seas will become like open sewers because of lack of major wars as in our nature to kill everything. And so more people more carbon footprint and so on you no the rest. Anyway what better remedy then send a asteroid close to our atmosphere wipe out 90 percent of life take all the excess water with it at the same time revealing more land. The massive pull throwing earth off its axis what would you do to stop it ? If you fire a missile ? Wrong because if you do it would destroy earth causing a 3rd to hit earth in a flaming fireball. What will you do? Too late someone from under the planet fires the missile, you all die. What would you choose the will of god or the devil ? You must choose yet they are not as portrayed in religion but something else and we are their slaves.

Everybodyislying wrote:This phenominon occurs every 26000 years, Mankind has never experienced this natural change....we havent been here that long.
But we know it happened in the past many times over and earth is still here.

Actually mankind may have experienced this change before. Archeologist estimate modern humans have been around for at least 37,000 years and perhaps as long as 100,000 years. Also, it's worth noting that the long count calendar used by the Mayans was quite possibly invented much earlier by a civilization called the "Olmecs". Civilization as far as we know has existed for about 6,ooo years and look how far we have come. So let's go with the modest estimate of modern humans existing for 37,000 years. We're talking modern humans here, indistinguishable from you or I both mentally and physically. Is it possible that it took 31,000 years before civilization suddenly "sprung" into existence, which is what it seems to have done, and within 6,000 years we progressed to what we are today? Or is it more likely that an as yet unknown civilization, perhaps as advanced as our own today, existed sometime in the distant past and was mostly destroyed by some sort of global cataclysm? Ancient myths from around the world speak of a time when the sun disappeared from the sky and a great flood, accompanied by great earthquakes, covered much of the earth. There are more than 500 known myths that speak of this from different parts of the world. Some of these myths are at least 5,000 years old. Of course, they are just myths, however many different cultures from around the world that had no contact with one another having almost identical myths seems too be more than mere coincidence. Is it possible these myths speak of actual events that have occurred? We are approaching an event that has not occurred for 26,000 years which means the last time this happened was about 24,000 B.C. So that means if by our modest estimate of modern humans existing since 35,000 B.C., that humanity would have been around for 11,000 years the last time this event occurred. That's almost twice as long as our current estimates of civilization. How far do you think humanity could have come in 11,000 years? Again, look at what we have accomplished in just 6,000 years. Imagine where we would be with another 5,000 years of progress.
Of course, this is all merely speculation. I do not in any way claim any of this to be fact, so save it before you attack me with, "You can't prove any of this idiot!" I just find it interesting to speculate on different possibilities. For all that we know today, there is still so much more that we do not know. Finally, I just want to say, the end of the world could come at any time for any of us. Life is a precious gift and we should try to live each day to it's fullest. Love, laugh, learn and enjoy because we never know when our last day could be.

Civilization was made possible primarily by the invention of farming. Therefore, it makes sense that one group of humans just happened to discover how to farm one day, and civilization spread from there. If my history is still serving me decently, I think it was somewhere around the middle east about 10,000 years ago.
EDIT: why the hell did I put a semicolon there? Corrected.

Ok first of all the poles don't just like, shift over night. It takes thousands and thousands of years and it would not actually effect anything since it takes that long. The poles are always moving, because of the current of magma underneath the earth's crust. December 21, 2012 is the galactic equinox. It is when our solar system travels through the densest part of the Milky Way galaxy. But since the solar system moves soo slow in comparison to the galaxy, we are so close right now that there would hardly be any difference. Nothing has happen yet, right?

anonymous1234321 wrote:Ok first of all the poles don't just like, shift over night. It takes thousands and thousands of years and it would not actually effect anything since it takes that long. The poles are always moving, because of the current of magma underneath the earth's crust. December 21, 2012 is the galactic equinox. It is when our solar system travels through the densest part of the Milky Way galaxy. But since the solar system moves soo slow in comparison to the galaxy, we are so close right now that there would hardly be any difference. Nothing has happen yet, right?

While I agree that this 2012 nonsense is just that, nonsense, our solar system is not about to pass through the densest part of the Milky Way. The densest part would be the galactic center and we're currently approximately 26,000 light years away from it. And what do you mean by, But since the solar system moves soo slow in comparison to the galaxy, we are so close right now that there would hardly be any difference?

There is no such thing as a 'galactic equinox'. Our solar system is NOT going to travel through the densest part of the Galaxy. We crossed the galactic plane three million years ago. But even if we crossed tomorrow nothing would happen, as you implied.

This plane crossing thing is a myth, a hoax. This is science, not Mayan nonsense.

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Everybodyislying wrote:Yeah ...and the funniest thing of all, is people like you right in the middle of the argument.
The Mayans new that mankind can't change the future.
They also predicted their own demise.
Their calender is the most accurate known to man with the most precise calculations.
They knew that on the year 2012 on 21st of December that the sun will align in the center of our galaxy.
On that day the earth's polarity will shift Creating stress on the earths crust. nobody Knows the degree of devastation that will occur.
And all of this has been proven By science.
This phenomenon occurs every 26000 years, Mankind has never experienced this natural change....we haven't been here that long.
But we know it happened in the past many times over and earth is still here.
What will happen to us...is mere speculation.

OK for one - the Sun passes about 6 degrees from the Galactic Centre on December 21, EVERY YEAR. The 26 000 yr cycle you refer to is the wobble of the earth on its axis (precession). Tell me - how does that wobble affect the earths position in relation to the sun on a given date? It cant. The earth's orbit would have to alter for the alignment of the sun and the galactic centre to occur. It would have to move out of its current orbit. Like any other year, this will not happen in 2012.
The significance of this date also happens to be when the sun is at its southernmost declination in the sky, or summer solctice if your from the southern hemisphere. That, the mayans worked out quite easily - but seriously, do you expect these people knew what a galactic centre was? Let alone a galaxy! It's plain ridiculous. Especially when a solstice describes it perfectly.


So yeah....and the funniest thing of all, is people with their facts all messed up starting the 2012 nonsense in the first place

This is the truth every year it happens.. and as far as the polar shift goes it's proven it's happening as we speak but we won't be able to even notice a dramatic change for THOUSANDS of years. So, I wouldn't exactly worry about it.. Lets make a bet.. I bet a million dollars the world doesn't end in 2012 and if it does well then we are all dead.. Good odds I'd say.

I'll have to make a correction. It wasn't the Mayans who were destroyed by Cortez. It was the Aztecs. The Mayans were already dead before then. Anyway, I do agree that it is the work of God. Philosophers often try to find answers by philosophy. It is only natural.