I suppose it is easier to describe the idea a different way. Anyone who has looked at physics knows it is quite complex or appears to be different on different scales like sub-atomic versus what we see as made from atoms. The idea is all the bits thrown out often to science fiction that seem to apply but don't fit the standard model. That would be like worm holes versus black holes.

Michio Kaku has some good stuff on hyper space or sometimes called what is in between the looking glass. Most people think of a worm hole like stargate and stepping through. But if you could get in between and see the link from one place to the next it would be a great stretch or string like connection. There needs to be time reverse and forward again to allow passage to arrive in the same time frame as the other side of the gate if transit had a time component. To enter and reverse time can not back up so there has to be a cornering or right angle turn mechanism to allow reality to progress because the traveler between the gates experiences reality in one direction. That means as one set of corners is negotiated the real world scale is compensated by the sub-atomic reversing to continue a forward reality.

From a simple start it got fairly complex rather quickly but it did start simple. The reason I stuck with the idea is that made sense of all the anomalies like why doesn't the universe glow or why isn't brilliant light coming from all directions. It is the same reason that scientists have kept quantum. Not because quantum is an easy concept to work with but because it answers some weird questions.

Anyway I found it explained redshift, ice ages, average lighter gravity millions of years ago for flying dinosaurs and localized variable gravity which should reduce somewhat during a transition. Ideally a great few years time for space exploration because the propulsion is not reduced just the gravity. If anyone ever gets to understand it and it does work I will look forward to enjoying that beer with you ddd.

Wow DDD you act like you know what you are talking about but you have failed to offer proof as well. The truth is that no one really knows what is going to happen and that the Universe is big and we are a minuscule spec of dust among other specs of dust. Even the scientists don't really know whats going to happen they just have theories. The definition of a theory is :
1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2: abstract thought : speculation
3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4 a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory<in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
6 a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption : conjecture c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>
So by definition they don't know

GTM -Im not going to talk this guy out. But Just because he's studied this idea of wormholes, does not mean that Idea is proven.
He's stating that he's pretty sure of this - well great. But Im not going to be swayed by this theory.
The reason in that article for the mass revision is that with new observations, these scientists believe that the galactic disk 15% more massive. Thanks to better, more accurate gear.
Look MD, i still think the galaxy was always this massive, we just changed our estimation with more accurate gear.
Dont think there are changes going on, and after hearing MD's despcriptions of it - well it sounds like all the other 2012 theories - a stretch to fit scenario.

GTM, thank you for telling me what a theory is.
But theories are to be debated, thats what they're for. I can't argue that GTM has done his homework. But that doesn't necessarily make him right.

GTM wrote:Wow DDD you act like you know what you are talking about but you have failed to offer proof as well. The truth is that no one really knows what is going to happen and that the Universe is big and we are a minuscule spec of dust among other specs of dust. Even the scientists don't really know whats going to happen they just have theories. The definition of a theory is :
1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2: abstract thought : speculation
3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4 a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory<in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
6 a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption : conjecture c: a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>
So by definition they don't know

Thought I should reply properly to you.

I act, in this case, 'by definition, they don't know.
Most theories on this site, are plain wrong.
Nibiru doesnt work, it just doesn't fit in any rational manner.
Our sun does not allign between the earth and the galactic centre.
And on it goes. I argue on the side that, 2012 is based on very thinly based theories. Most of these people try to say this stuff is proven but that is crap.
Ive offered plenty of good arguments GTM, ones that point out how shaky these theories are.
If that makes me sound like a knowall, then so be it.
Your definition of a theory even adds to my argument, so once again - thankyou.
MN's theory, whilst I certainly cannot prove it wrong, is a hypothesis. Sounds like lots of extrapolations to answer some problems. He would know, that just because it ends up working in the maths, doesn't nessecarily mean it's going to be the next big theory. This theory may have to go through many stages before it is workable.
Sounds like our galaxy needs to gain a huge amount of mass in a very short space of time - sorry, good luck to him - but I just don't believe it.

So GTM, what are your thoughts about 2012? Have you got proof it's gonna happen?

Sorry, dont answer that last question - from your handle its obvious what you think about 2012

Thank you! You said everything I would have like to say. Thanks! You are right in everything!!!!!!!

Everybodyislying wrote:Yeah ...and the funniest thing of all, is people like you right in the middle of the argument.
The Myans new that mankind can't change the future.
They also predicted their own demise.
Their callender is the most accurate known to man with the most precise calculations.
They knew that on the year 2012 ont 21 st of december that the sun will align in the center of our gallaxy.
On that day the earth's pollarity will shift Creating stress on the earths crust. nobody Knows the degree of devistation that will occur.
And all of this has been proven By science.
This phenominon occurs every 26000 years, Mankind has never experienced this natural change....we havent been here that long.
But we know it happened in the past many times over and earth is still here.
What will happen to us...is mere speculation.

The world is NOT going to end. No body knows. EVEN if it is the most accurate calendar. Only God knows! I am not saying it won't (really I am, but that is my guess, so don't call me "retarded" for just guessing.") and so, lets see. I looked up Niburu AKA Planet-X on Google photo search. And, every single picture was different. One was half of Earth cut in half, but tinted red. I still have the picture, too. Another picture, it spoke 1000 words, which all of those words said fake. Why? Because, now this time, the picture of the planet was blue. What? Earth is the only known planet with water on it. So, no. And, just like what the creator of this topic said, they are trying to take your money off of us by selling stuff to prepare for. If it was going to end, how could we prepare for it if the DINOSAURS are stronger, bigger than us. When I'd say, like a meteor hit Earth, (they say "Niburu" Is larger) the dinosaurs died. And we couldn't handle it if they couldn't. They are trying to sell us knives which I don't know why we'd need them -_-, gas masks, fire equipment, all kinds of crazy stuff. My prediction= Nothings going to happen. Some people may think that, some people may not. But its my guess. Believe your own beliefs, because, its legal to believe what ever. If you believe you can fly, go ahead. There is one less dumb ass in the world. Joking, but I don't know who'd do that. Oh! And don't argue about this please! Your only making it worse! And, if you would REALLY like to save the Earth, recycle, and stop being lazy shits!!

If You believe in it, and it doesn't happen, YOU WIN!

If you don't believe it, and it does happen, YOU LOSE!

WIN wrote:If You believe in it, and it doesn't happen, YOU WIN!

If you don't believe it, and it does happen, YOU LOSE!

If you don't believe in it, and it's inpossible, YOU WIN

If you do believe in it, and it's impossible, you waste a bunch of time and worry.

The end of the world IS coming. I messaged a man 5 years ago about a near death vision, no problem, but recently, he had another vision, about the world ending, and he wrote. I watched as piles of rubble went flying around me. Every volcano erupted one after another, and all the cities of the world were flooded. Then, as i stand alone watching the apocalypse before my own eyes, the sun had begun to shift, into space! It grew further and further away. The earth started spinning and trembling! like a top does near the end of its spin. Then it stopped, and started again, this time for a short amount of time. As i stood there, i saw that the earth was tilted!

Now about the other things people were complaining about...
The Mayans did predict Cortez, he was the white god to them.
The sun is going to shift into the middle of the galaxy, where the black hole is.
This will cause a magnetic shift, causing the earth to switch poles (turn upside down basically)

We are supposed to look to Orion. That's all else he said.
I don't know what this means, look to Orion, but that's what he said.